(Spoilers) Ending question

[Mr. Hoovy Mann]

Hello,

So wow that ending was something, the after credits scene really worked. Anyway I was wondering specifically in that scene when he turns you to see the screens, is there any outcome where the earth isn't ravaged by the typhon? I couldn't find anything relevant online so why not ask here?

[Candy Man]

I don't think earth is ravaged really. All the glowing stuff is around but a hick with an ar could take out a telepath outside of mind control range and the amish could destroy a technopath if they weren't peaceful. Although, mimics could invalidate my argument.

[Lar Dass]

Thats the whole point. Earth is ravaged REGARDLESS the ending you picked
It shows just how serious the typhon is and potentially the fact that morgan pretty much ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up in preventing the typhon from reaching earth... or did she? I suggest you 100% the prey dlc mooncrash which actually gives a big hint at the end that suggests it might not be Morgan's fault

[TazmanianD]

Yeah, what you see of earth is the way earth already was when you started the game when you first woke up in "your" apartment. The whole game was a simulation and you've now been pulled out of it to see the true reality.

... I don't know why but it just occurred to me for the first time that when the game starts you're in a simulation inside a simulation :-D.

[Jerubius]

I mean regardless of what you choose, it doesn't change what the actual Morgan did when the Typhon outbreak occurred on Talos I, so it's quite possible the way things played out on Talos I do cause Earth to get ravaged by Typhon, and a different choice could have prevented it. However, what you do can't change it because what you play through is a simulation based on the real Morgan's memories.

[Xengre]

If I recall correctly, its been a while since I played so maybe I am misremembering, but I believe in the true ending the Earth is not at all "ravaged by the typhoon. Rather, Alex and Morgan's research bears fruit and what they did was create the next evolutionary step which is the link between typhoon and humans, a hybridization of the two. They have begun to assimilate the typhoon's capabilities into their way of life.

In the process Morgan or the entity that lived through Morgan's character in the simulation showed it was possible to not engage in merciless slaughter and showed humanity in its actions.

[Lar Dass]

Originally posted by Xengre:

If I recall correctly, its been a while since I played so maybe I am misremembering, but I believe in the true ending the Earth is not at all "ravaged by the typhoon. Rather, Alex and Morgan's research bears fruit and what they did was create the next evolutionary step which is the link between typhoon and humans, a hybridization of the two. They have begun to assimilate the typhoon's capabilities into their way of life.

In the process Morgan or the entity that lived through Morgan's character in the simulation showed it was possible to not engage in merciless slaughter and showed humanity in its actions.

Watch the ending again, Earth is ravaged, the whole point of alex's experiment was to join forces with the typhon, the phantom being the first of the types, in order to help the apocalypse back on earth, of course it is optional to handshake alex or not but either way his goal was to try and get a phantom to emit signs of empathy/sympathy which the typhon doesnt possess as alex even says himself

"People are quick to project human features onto things they don't understand. The Typhon kill us without hesitation. But it's not because they're evil. It's because they can't do otherwise. Do you know what we discovered? They lack mirror neurons. For all their wonderful abilities, there's one thing we can do that they can't - empathize with the suffering of another living creature." - Alex

also i will spoiler this so op doesnt see but in the mooncrash dlc which takes place during the events of the main game but the ACTUAL events, not the simulation one the end cutscene shows Peter who you play as, escaping after fulfilling his KASMA orders for spying on the base. the funny thing is that there is actually a mimic onboard which alludes to the fact that morgan may not have caused the Earth outbreak but rather the kasma spy which was obviously unintended

[Jerubius]

Originally posted by Xengre:

If I recall correctly, its been a while since I played so maybe I am misremembering, but I believe in the true ending the Earth is not at all "ravaged by the typhoon. Rather, Alex and Morgan's research bears fruit and what they did was create the next evolutionary step which is the link between typhoon and humans, a hybridization of the two. They have begun to assimilate the typhoon's capabilities into their way of life.

In the process Morgan or the entity that lived through Morgan's character in the simulation showed it was possible to not engage in merciless slaughter and showed humanity in its actions.

It's not entirely clear, but it's heavily implied that things got out of hand. Likely that Alex and Morgan thought they had things under control and got complacent. It's highly unlikely they hybridized, given that you play as the first potential success of giving Typhon empathy. I think Alex makes a comment about the Typhon neuromods being used on Earth, but you need weavers present to create the coral, so no coral unless Typhon got loose on Earth.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

Originally posted by Xengre:

If I recall correctly, its been a while since I played so maybe I am misremembering, but I believe in the true ending the Earth is not at all "ravaged by the typhoon. Rather, Alex and Morgan's research bears fruit and what they did was create the next evolutionary step which is the link between typhoon and humans, a hybridization of the two. They have begun to assimilate the typhoon's capabilities into their way of life.

In the process Morgan or the entity that lived through Morgan's character in the simulation showed it was possible to not engage in merciless slaughter and showed humanity in its actions.

Watch the ending again, Earth is ravaged, the whole point of alex's experiment was to join forces with the typhon, the phantom being the first of the types, in order to help the apocalypse back on earth, of course it is optional to handshake alex or not but either way his goal was to try and get a phantom to emit signs of empathy/sympathy which the typhon doesnt possess as alex even says himself

"People are quick to project human features onto things they don't understand. The Typhon kill us without hesitation. But it's not because they're evil. It's because they can't do otherwise. Do you know what we discovered? They lack mirror neurons. For all their wonderful abilities, there's one thing we can do that they can't - empathize with the suffering of another living creature." - Alex

also i will spoiler this so op doesnt see but in the mooncrash dlc which takes place during the events of the main game but the ACTUAL events, not the simulation one the end cutscene shows Peter who you play as, escaping after fulfilling his KASMA orders for spying on the base. the funny thing is that there is actually a mimic onboard which alludes to the fact that morgan may not have caused the Earth outbreak but rather the kasma spy which was obviously unintended

Your basing this off what you saw on the monitor right? All it indicates about the Earth is a single scene of the typhoon network across a cityscape. He states: "This is the world today." Then he talks about spending time trying to apply typhoon science to humanity before finally realizing they should apply humanity to it. Nothing he said indicates a negative connotation about the state of the Earth, nor do we see any destruction. As for the Coral neural network spreading across the city that is not inherently bad to either Morgan or the survivors on the ship as far as we know and could very well be utilized for the benefits of humanity and thus shouldn't be assumed to be there unintentionally, nor undesired.

As for the DLC its based on assuming the nullwave ending does not occur as far as we know because a mimic couldn't have been transformed due to the nullwave were that the case and no one escaped from Talos as far as we are aware, and odds very heavily favor Alex, Dahl, or Morgan among several others such as the AI, security, etc. would have known if this transpired as it violated literally everyone's agenda.

Originally posted by Jerubius:

Originally posted by Xengre:

If I recall correctly, its been a while since I played so maybe I am misremembering, but I believe in the true ending the Earth is not at all "ravaged by the typhoon. Rather, Alex and Morgan's research bears fruit and what they did was create the next evolutionary step which is the link between typhoon and humans, a hybridization of the two. They have begun to assimilate the typhoon's capabilities into their way of life.

In the process Morgan or the entity that lived through Morgan's character in the simulation showed it was possible to not engage in merciless slaughter and showed humanity in its actions.

It's not entirely clear, but it's heavily implied that things got out of hand. Likely that Alex and Morgan thought they had things under control and got complacent. It's highly unlikely they hybridized, given that you play as the first potential success of giving Typhon empathy. I think Alex makes a comment about the Typhon neuromods being used on Earth, but you need weavers present to create the coral, so no coral unless Typhon got loose on Earth.

They already began studies regarding the Weaver, its spinneret organ, and backlash ability with regards to coral. Considering what they did with neural mods, the main character, and their other research it wouldn't be st range if they found a way to utilize the coral. I believe it is left open on purpose but there are certainly some hints that suggest in the true ending things are possibly not out of control. Most of all, Alex is simply far too relaxed in his presentation and discussion nor does he state anything suggesting an ill fate to anything which leads me to believe it probably isn't the bad ending a lot of people seem to think (deeper than first initial appearance that the image and coral may suggest which makes sense considering how the game has its veils).

[Jerubius]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

Watch the ending again, Earth is ravaged, the whole point of alex's experiment was to join forces with the typhon, the phantom being the first of the types, in order to help the apocalypse back on earth, of course it is optional to handshake alex or not but either way his goal was to try and get a phantom to emit signs of empathy/sympathy which the typhon doesnt possess as alex even says himself

"People are quick to project human features onto things they don't understand. The Typhon kill us without hesitation. But it's not because they're evil. It's because they can't do otherwise. Do you know what we discovered? They lack mirror neurons. For all their wonderful abilities, there's one thing we can do that they can't - empathize with the suffering of another living creature." - Alex

also i will spoiler this so op doesnt see but in the mooncrash dlc which takes place during the events of the main game but the ACTUAL events, not the simulation one the end cutscene shows Peter who you play as, escaping after fulfilling his KASMA orders for spying on the base. the funny thing is that there is actually a mimic onboard which alludes to the fact that morgan may not have caused the Earth outbreak but rather the kasma spy which was obviously unintended

Your basing this off what you saw on the monitor right? All it indicates about the Earth is a single scene of the typhoon network across a cityscape. He states: "This is the world today." Then he talks about spending time trying to apply typhoon science to humanity before finally realizing they should apply humanity to it. Nothing he said indicates a negative connotation about the state of the Earth, nor do we see any destruction. As for the Coral neural network spreading across the city that is not inherently bad to either Morgan or the survivors on the ship as far as we know and could very well be utilized for the benefits of humanity and thus shouldn't be assumed to be there unintentionally, nor undesired.

As for the DLC its based on assuming the nullwave ending does not occur as far as we know because a mimic couldn't have been transformed due to the nullwave were that the case and no one escaped from Talos as far as we are aware, and odds very heavily favor Alex, Dahl, or Morgan among several others such as the AI, security, etc. would have known if this transpired as it violated literally everyone's agenda.

Originally posted by Jerubius:

It's not entirely clear, but it's heavily implied that things got out of hand. Likely that Alex and Morgan thought they had things under control and got complacent. It's highly unlikely they hybridized, given that you play as the first potential success of giving Typhon empathy. I think Alex makes a comment about the Typhon neuromods being used on Earth, but you need weavers present to create the coral, so no coral unless Typhon got loose on Earth.

They already began studies regarding the Weaver, its spinneret organ, and backlash ability with regards to coral. Considering what they did with neural mods, the main character, and their other research it wouldn't be st range if they found a way to utilize the coral. I believe it is left open on purpose but there are certainly some hints that suggest in the true ending things are possibly not out of control. Most of all, Alex is simply far too relaxed in his presentation and discussion nor does he state anything suggesting an ill fate to anything which leads me to believe it probably isn't the bad ending a lot of people seem to think (deeper than first initial appearance that the image and coral may suggest which makes sense considering how the game has its veils).

I mean, it's not much different to how Alex acts when faced with his imminent death, the potential of dooming humanity or possibility of the complete destruction of all his life's work. The guy just doesn't get that riled up, and on top of that he's distracted by the possibility of finally succeeding with his research. Giving Typhon empathy is a game changer. The coral stores the brain patterns of the Typhon's victims, so humanizing them isn't just opening a possibility to peacefully coexist with the Typhon, it's opening the door to undo whatever damage the Typhon did, and potentially immortality of sorts for the human race.

[Xengre]

Alex was resigned to death for a greater purpose and as compensation for his actions though. He believed it to be justified and had accepted it. He definitely got riled up a few times during the game about some things, though. Something else can be said about the scene we see which is we see no typhoon about the Earth flying around or physically large in size and the buildings show absolutely no damage at all which is virtually impossible. The Typhoon made a massive mess of the space station entirely on their own and allowed to run freely for years or potentially decades, we don't know how long tbh, it makes no sense the city images we see are so serene and undisturbed. Factor in the obvious war scenario from humanity combating the typhoon and such a scene is actually not realistically possible. Remember, there is nothing at all to indicate anything actually happened to the planet aside from the fact that we see coral on the planet. This is arguably a trick by the devs to sow the initial reaction that the planet was invaded and taken over, but the game constantly delivers in layers and deception of the truth. Looking deeper all evidence ultimately there is plenty of evidence to suggest they haven't ruined the Earth, but the only potential suggestion we have that they did is one single image of coral in a city... an image that could actually be argued to hold another truth entirely. Yes, the coral gives a great deal of potential to humanity. It also can potentially be used for various other purposes. Perhaps harvesting of some type of energy (we see that in the game with our power), some type of extension to life or mental evolution of the human race, a way of pacifying or manipulating the typhoon, a way of empowering and controlling neuromods, and many other possibilities for why it may be in the city and already being utilized by humanity. Then the MC is the next step of that evolution, ironically taking the opposite approach they had been going on about for some time.

[Lar Dass]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

Watch the ending again, Earth is ravaged, the whole point of alex's experiment was to join forces with the typhon, the phantom being the first of the types, in order to help the apocalypse back on earth, of course it is optional to handshake alex or not but either way his goal was to try and get a phantom to emit signs of empathy/sympathy which the typhon doesnt possess as alex even says himself

"People are quick to project human features onto things they don't understand. The Typhon kill us without hesitation. But it's not because they're evil. It's because they can't do otherwise. Do you know what we discovered? They lack mirror neurons. For all their wonderful abilities, there's one thing we can do that they can't - empathize with the suffering of another living creature." - Alex

also i will spoiler this so op doesnt see but in the mooncrash dlc which takes place during the events of the main game but the ACTUAL events, not the simulation one the end cutscene shows Peter who you play as, escaping after fulfilling his KASMA orders for spying on the base. the funny thing is that there is actually a mimic onboard which alludes to the fact that morgan may not have caused the Earth outbreak but rather the kasma spy which was obviously unintended

Your basing this off what you saw on the monitor right? All it indicates about the Earth is a single scene of the typhoon network across a cityscape. He states: "This is the world today." Then he talks about spending time trying to apply typhoon science to humanity before finally realizing they should apply humanity to it. Nothing he said indicates a negative connotation about the state of the Earth, nor do we see any destruction. As for the Coral neural network spreading across the city that is not inherently bad to either Morgan or the survivors on the ship as far as we know and could very well be utilized for the benefits of humanity and thus shouldn't be assumed to be there unintentionally, nor undesired.

As for the DLC its based on assuming the nullwave ending does not occur as far as we know because a mimic couldn't have been transformed due to the nullwave were that the case and no one escaped from Talos as far as we are aware, and odds very heavily favor Alex, Dahl, or Morgan among several others such as the AI, security, etc. would have known if this transpired as it violated literally everyone's agenda.

Originally posted by Jerubius:

It's not entirely clear, but it's heavily implied that things got out of hand. Likely that Alex and Morgan thought they had things under control and got complacent. It's highly unlikely they hybridized, given that you play as the first potential success of giving Typhon empathy. I think Alex makes a comment about the Typhon neuromods being used on Earth, but you need weavers present to create the coral, so no coral unless Typhon got loose on Earth.

They already began studies regarding the Weaver, its spinneret organ, and backlash ability with regards to coral. Considering what they did with neural mods, the main character, and their other research it wouldn't be st range if they found a way to utilize the coral. I believe it is left open on purpose but there are certainly some hints that suggest in the true ending things are possibly not out of control. Most of all, Alex is simply far too relaxed in his presentation and discussion nor does he state anything suggesting an ill fate to anything which leads me to believe it probably isn't the bad ending a lot of people seem to think (deeper than first initial appearance that the image and coral may suggest which makes sense considering how the game has its veils).

Of course theres no damage from the monitor of earth. Typhon doesnt destroy buildings or property otherwise if they did the entire of talos 1 would have been finished. They only kill. So looking at the screen its safe to assume majority of people on earth is dead and has been turned into more phantoms or sucked out of their life by a mimic
I dont think alex would lie and fake footage either otherwise then there wont be much of a point doing the simulation and killing the phantom at the end (bad ending)

[Xengre]

I specifically mentioned that in Talos after only a few hours they had caused SIGNIFICANT damage to Talos 1, especially in areas with higher tier typhoons, so I'm not really sure what you are talking about. In addition, the war that would have resulted against the typhoon invasion using warheads, missiles, tanks, etc. would have damaged the city.

Let me ask you a question. I've given why I don't see it as the Earth being ravaged. What evidence makes you think the Earth has been ravaged? I'm curious, because the only thing I can think of so far is the coral, which has already been presented as not good evidence above.

What do you mean Alex lie? He never stated what the state of the Earth was and merely said "This is the world today." The subject just prior and after that was about the incorporation of typhoon into humanity, which was a theme of Talos 1 to begin with, and then the reveal of taking the opposite approach and incorporating humanity into the typhoon.

Again, what makes you think the Earth was ravaged? The simulation was merely a means of testing the effect of inserting humanity into a typhoon and giving them a scenario to see how the research panned out without potentially offering up a killing machine to Earth or an actual environment with real lives in it. Even more so because it places the typhoon in pressed circumstances when its real nature is bound to come out. The bad scenarios are simply if the experiment fails and doesn't produce viable results, a lack of humanity and failure of the project or otherwise an alternative ending.

[Lar Dass]

Originally posted by Xengre:

I specifically mentioned that in Talos after only a few hours they had caused SIGNIFICANT damage to Talos 1, especially in areas with higher tier typhoons, so I'm not really sure what you are talking about. In addition, the war that would have resulted against the typhoon invasion using warheads, missiles, tanks, etc. would have damaged the city.

Let me ask you a question. I've given why I don't see it as the Earth being ravaged. What evidence makes you think the Earth has been ravaged? I'm curious, because the only thing I can think of so far is the coral, which has already been presented as not good evidence above.

What do you mean Alex lie? He never stated what the state of the Earth was and merely said "This is the world today." The subject just prior and after that was about the incorporation of typhoon into humanity, which was a theme of Talos 1 to begin with, and then the reveal of taking the opposite approach and incorporating humanity into the typhoon.

Again, what makes you think the Earth was ravaged?

if you wanna believe earth is ravaged then you can believe that, like how i believe big boss from MGSV is actually raiden
either way op has his answer

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

Originally posted by Xengre:

I specifically mentioned that in Talos after only a few hours they had caused SIGNIFICANT damage to Talos 1, especially in areas with higher tier typhoons, so I'm not really sure what you are talking about. In addition, the war that would have resulted against the typhoon invasion using warheads, missiles, tanks, etc. would have damaged the city.

Let me ask you a question. I've given why I don't see it as the Earth being ravaged. What evidence makes you think the Earth has been ravaged? I'm curious, because the only thing I can think of so far is the coral, which has already been presented as not good evidence above.

What do you mean Alex lie? He never stated what the state of the Earth was and merely said "This is the world today." The subject just prior and after that was about the incorporation of typhoon into humanity, which was a theme of Talos 1 to begin with, and then the reveal of taking the opposite approach and incorporating humanity into the typhoon.

Again, what makes you think the Earth was ravaged?

if you wanna believe earth is ravaged then you can believe that, like how i believe big boss from MGSV is actually raiden
either way op has his answer

Um... what I asked was what gave YOU the impression it was ravaged? I've actually asked it many times now but for some reason no one has been able to give an answer which is very strange. It actually goes hand in hand with the layered veiled deceit this game employs in the story to fool the player unless they dig into the truth and it appears to have worked with their ambiguous ending, albeit details exist to potentially extract an actual final conclusion. As for the OP's answer... its a potentially incorrect answer reached due to an incorrect basis. They DLC is not canon to the nullwave ending which has already been shown.

Once again, what makes you think the Earth was ravaged by the typhoon? If your only basis for this assumption is the coral then you have big issues with this verdict as, while it could be, I've shown why it probably isn't.

[Lar Dass]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

if you wanna believe earth is ravaged then you can believe that, like how i believe big boss from MGSV is actually raiden
either way op has his answer

Um... what I asked was what gave YOU the impression it was ravaged? I've actually asked it many times now but for some reason no one has been able to give an answer which is very strange. It actually goes hand in hand with the layered veiled deceit this game employs in the story to fool the player unless they dig into the truth and it appears to have worked with their ambiguous ending, albeit details exist to potentially extract an actual final conclusion. As for the OP's answer... its a potentially incorrect answer reached due to an incorrect basis. They DLC is not canon to the nullwave ending which has already been shown.

Once again, what makes you think the Earth was ravaged by the typhoon? If your only basis for this assumption is the coral then you have big issues with this verdict as, while it could be, I've shown why it probably isn't.

Just note im using "ravaged" lightly and dont mean destruction i mainly mean humans are ravaged/killed, and the parts on talos 1 that were destroyed shows no evidence it was from typhon, its juts likely to have been a series of events that caused an explosion as talos 1 is just a giant science lab, scared and fleeing scientists can knock over anything which would cause flames and the room to collapse hence why they have the airtight doors in every single area instead of just the areas leading to space
coral is like the energy of those killed on talos 1 as alex explains it as a network which is why the apex breaks in at the end. so seeing coral far greater on earth must show that humans were killed and humanity is on the brink... unless you believe humans are walking around and hanging out with the typhon?
smuggling and other similar security problems were a thing too as shown in various emails that alex covered up, its possible that something got to earth even before the main game's events took place
final cutscene could have taken place on argus or an emergency refugee area pytheas made for the talos 1 crew incase of emergency, alex's talk about joining forces is obviously to imply saving whats left of humanity