AGAIN?! No HOLD Crouch button option like in DOOM?

[Caine]

why? i want a HOLD crouch button! pleasE?

[Zombra]

Same here. In fact ... refunded until I find a way to fix this. Consoles are cute but I am an old school PC player. You can do better than this, devs.

[Zombra]

Glad to see all these awesome patches, disappointed to see a simple UI fix still being ignored. Hold to aim, hold to sprint, can't hold to crouch. Would like to play this game some day, I hear it's good. Let me turn off the crappy console controls please.

[Lister of Smeg ︻デ =ー]

Originally posted by Zombra:

Same here. :flameskullghost: In fact ... refunded until I find a way to fix this. Consoles are cute but I am an old school PC player. You can do better than this, devs.

Not playing a game because no hold crouch, how sad.. your loss

[ZoSo]

There's also no toggle for running, which i really miss. Was it in the main game? Can't remember.

[Caine]

Originally posted by Lister of Smeg ︻デ┳=ー:

Originally posted by Zombra:

Same here. :flameskullghost: In fact ... refunded until I find a way to fix this. Consoles are cute but I am an old school PC player. You can do better than this, devs.

Not playing a game because no hold crouch, how sad.. your loss

ignorance and greed will deestroy mankind

[Zombra]

Originally posted by Lister of Smeg ︻デ┳=ー:

Not playing a game because no hold crouch, how sad.. your loss

It is sad. I hear great things about the game. But it's like they're forcing me to play left-handed. Only studio on earth that doesn't let me play with controls that make sense to me.

[Gratis_Frag]

Originally posted by Zombra:

it's like they're forcing me to play left-handed. Only studio on earth that doesn't let me play with controls that make sense to me.

I get where you are coming from, but you are massively exaggerating.

There are lots and lots of games out there that don't let you freely map your controls.
Sometimes it's missing toggle switches, other times some keys aren't usable or some functions in game are hardcoded.

Like I said, I understand where you are coming from. I play with the arrow keys and have to remap basically every function in every game I want to play that way. The amount of games that let me do that, without me having to use external programs or the config files, is small.

Yes, PC gaming always was about customization and doing things your way, but apparently not a lot of developers think the same.

From one old schooler to another: Jump over your shadow or take a look at Autohotkey to make your keys unsticky. It is worth it for this game alone.

And yes, I know. It shouldn't be that complicated, but sadly it is.

Edit: Changed sticky to unsticky.

[Zombra]

Originally posted by Gratis_Frag:

From one old schooler to another: Jump over your shadow or take a look at Autohotkey to make your keys unsticky. It is worth it for this game alone.

If this is a utility to get my keys working how I want them, you have made a new friend for life.

Thanks for your thoughtful post.

[Gratis_Frag]

Basically you can remap your keyboard with AutoHotKey, yes.
You write little scripts that you start when playing your game.

A simple command would be A::Enter
This would make the key "A" behave like the "Enter" key every time you press it.

In your case you would want something that executes the crouch command on the button press and again on releasing the button. Which is possible with AHK and could look like this:

Ctrl Down::Send Ctrl
Ctrl Up::Send Ctrl

Here is a link to the keys you can use in AHK and their names:
https://autohotkey.com/docs/KeyList.htm

[yxlplig]

The option should really be there, along with secondary bindings and separate bindings for the things that are combined.

Toggle crouch is superior in a game like this though. In old games like Thief 2 I actually use both bound to Ctrl and the other to Z, with toggle crouch being used 90% of the time. That's hundreds of hours of contorting my smallest finger in a weird position that I've spared myself from.

[Zombra]

Originally posted by yxlplig:

Toggle crouch is superior in a game like this though. In old games like Thief 2 I actually use both bound to Ctrl and the other to Z, with toggle crouch being used 90% of the time. That's hundreds of hours of contorting my smallest finger in a weird position that I've spared myself from.

There's no contortion involved if you use Shift for crouch I find hold to be far superior since there is never any confusion about whether I'm crouching. If I want to be crouching, press down Shift; if I want to be standing, release Shift. Now when it's a toggle, if I'm surprised by an enemy for example, I have to stop to think for a second: "Am I already crouched?" and on some level that's going to slow me down. Worst of all is when I AM already crouched but I hit the key because I want to be crouching ... so I stand up. When I played Dishonored this would often result in a comedy of me hitting the key several times and doing squats. Maybe I'm the only person in the history of gaming to have this happen - but I'd be willing to bet that everyone reading this has done it once or twice. It's like having gas and brakes be the same pedal, I'm going to end up wrecking my car for sure because I'm going to accelerate at some point when I wanted to stop.

Originally posted by yxlplig:

The option should really be there, along with secondary bindings and separate bindings for the things that are combined.

We may quibble about what's superior, but I'm glad we agree this is a pretty basic option.

Originally posted by Gratis_Frag:

Basically you can remap your keyboard with AutoHotKey, yes. In your case you would want something that executes the crouch command on the button press and again on releasing the button. Which is possible with AHK and could look like this:

Ctrl Down::Send Ctrl
Ctrl Up::Send Ctrl

Sounds perfect, I'll try it. I'm a bit worried that it'd end up sending the commands in rapid succession and getting them reversed, but best not to worry about it until it happens!

[Gratis_Frag]

Originally posted by Zombra:

I'm a bit worried that it'd end up sending the commands in rapid succession and getting them reversed, but best not to worry about it until it happens!

I made a quick script and tested it, should work fine. The key actually got stuck one time, but jumping once helped. Couldn't reproduce that, so I don't know if it's the script or the game.

$Shift::Send {Shift}
$Shift up::Send {Shift}

This is a pretty simple solution. If there are problems you will have to dig deeper and write a more complex script, maybe with a while loop or something like that.

[Zombra]

Originally posted by Gratis_Frag:

Originally posted by Zombra:

I'm a bit worried that it'd end up sending the commands in rapid succession and getting them reversed, but best not to worry about it until it happens!

I made a quick script and tested it, should work fine. If there are problems you will have to dig deeper and write a more complex script, maybe with a while loop or something like that.

I'll plan on giving this a try with Dishonored some time soon. (I refunded Prey over this issue.) If I have any trouble I'll be sure to cry for help. Thanks again so much for letting me know there is a solution out there for players like us.

[Chillin]

holding a button down to crouch sucks.. toggle is much better. its even better when you use a thumb button on your mouse as the toggle.

[lPaladinl]

I've always, and always will, prefer hold to crouch and hold to aim. However I've learned to tolerate both.

For some reason Bethesda just hates the concept, and it sucks because it's part of why I feel like their games are more annoying and stiff to play.