Shuttle Advent *SPOILERS*

[MrBananaGrabber]

If you don't destroy the shuttle do you receive confirmation that the people onboard were all ok and not carrying any alien cargo?

Bizarrely although I chose to blow it up I got the 'didn't kill any humans' achievement. I suspect that's an oversight.

"They are very empathetic"
"Um....didn't they blow up a shuttle and murder everyone in it, purely on a vague hunch?!"

[goka9696]

Nothing happens.

You don't get any messages regarding the situation. I think the AI praises you but that's it.

[MrBananaGrabber]

I suppose it's purely a morality test, but it's strange that such a significant action seems to have no consequences.

Perhaps if anything it shows that as far as the devs are concerned the lives of those five people are meaningless :-O

[goka9696]

Originally posted by MrBananaGrabber:

I suppose it's purely a morality test, but it's strange that such a significant action seems to have no consequences.

Perhaps if anything it shows that as far as the devs are concerned the lives of those five people are meaningless :-O

Considering what the whole game has been about, the whole ordeal is meaningless anyway.

[MrBananaGrabber]

Originally posted by goka9696:

Originally posted by MrBananaGrabber:

I suppose it's purely a morality test, but it's strange that such a significant action seems to have no consequences.

Perhaps if anything it shows that as far as the devs are concerned the lives of those five people are meaningless :-O

Considering what the whole game has been about, the whole ordeal is meaningless anyway.

I suppose the same could be said about life. #profound #nihilism #teenagermentality

[goka9696]

Originally posted by MrBananaGrabber:

Originally posted by goka9696:

Considering what the whole game has been about, the whole ordeal is meaningless anyway.

I suppose the same could be said about life. #profound #nihilism #teenagermentality

You're dark and edgy huh

Like my soul

"Crawling in my skin intensifies"

[MrBananaGrabber]

Apparently not as dark as whoever decided that killing five people in cold blood doesn't count as killing humans :-O

Imagine the Austin Powers style cuts to the families of all the people onboard

"Look, Billy! Here comes the shuttle that daddy is piloting! I bet this is your favourite birthday ever! You'll always remember this day every time you have a birthday! Here he comes, wave at daddy, Billy!"
*shuttle explodes seconds before landing*

[goka9696]

Originally posted by MrBananaGrabber:

Apparently not as dark as whoever decided that killing five people in cold blood doesn't count as killing humans :-O

Imagine the Austin Powers style cuts to the families of all the people onboard

"Look, Billy! Here comes the shuttle that daddy is piloting! I bet this is your favourite birthday ever! You'll always remember this day every time you have a birthday! Here he comes, wave at daddy, Billy!"
*shuttle explodes seconds before landing*

We can pretend they died to mimics

[Vangerdahast]

Originally posted by MrBananaGrabber:

If you don't destroy the shuttle do you receive confirmation that the people onboard were all ok and not carrying any alien cargo?

Bizarrely although I chose to blow it up I got the 'didn't kill any humans' achievement. I suspect that's an oversight.

"They are very empathetic"
"Um....didn't they blow up a shuttle and murder everyone in it, purely on a vague hunch?!"

And if, supposing you're playing a simulation based on Morgan's memories, that shuttle was responsible for Earth contamination? Maybe Morgan decided to not destroy the shuttle, being responsible for Earth contamination too

[Breach]

I don't think there's any consequence. It's another 'do you pust the fat guy to save 5 people' situation. At the end I didn't destroy it. I just didn't see any speck of evidence that it may have been infected apart from the fact it left 30 minutes before the outbreak started. Also the outbreak started in Psychotronics so the chances were quite low IMO.

[Mesjaf]

Originally posted by MrBananaGrabber:

Apparently not as dark as whoever decided that killing five people in cold blood doesn't count as killing humans :-O

What if they weren't humans anymore ?

[Sten]

AND what about those volunteer pods? they dissapear for 10-15 minutes and resume flight off course.
So i think Earth is already pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥. I let em live cuz this way they atleast have some hope

[Igor]

There's one terribly suspicious thing about the crew of the shuttle. One can find its list in the Pilot Planning Room (Shuttle Bay).

Rebekah Smart, Joe Spires, Gustav Leitner + Assistant, Carolyn Wheel... Wait, Leitner!??? Dr. Igwe unambiguously told us that Leitner is already dead. Don't believe he could have lied or been mistaken about that for he met his beloved future wife at one of Leitner's concerts, iirc, and highly admires him in general.

This impostor must have used the neuromod (so as to maintain the disguise) and is therefore no better than a genuine Typhon. Thus I believe the decision to blow the shuttle up to have been completely justified... Well, still an atrocious one

Anyway, in my case the ship was a few minutes from the ground, so if the alien cells survived the explosion (which is highly probable), Earth is already infected. So never mind =)

[Breach]

Originally posted by Igor:

There's one terribly suspicious thing about the crew of the shuttle. One can find its list in the Pilot Planning Room (Shuttle Bay).

Rebekah Smart, Joe Spires, Gustav Leitner + Assistant, Carolyn Wheel... Wait, Leitner!??? Dr. Igwe unambiguously told us that Leitner is already dead. Don't believe he could have lied or been mistaken about that for he met his beloved future wife at one of Leitner's concerts, iirc, and highly admires him in general.

This impostor must have used the neuromod (so as to maintain the disguise) and is therefore no better than a genuine Typhon. Thus I believe the decision to blow the shuttle up to have been completely justified... Well, still an atrocious one

Anyway, in my case the ship was a few minutes from the ground, so if the alien cells survived the explosion (which is highly probable), Earth is already infected. So never mind =)

When does Igwe say that he's dead? There are e-mails (Bianca Goodwin's computer, Lobby) how he arrives on Talos to get his brain scanned and Igwe meets him in person.

[Kindred Spirit]

Originally posted by Breach:

I don't think there's any consequence. It's another 'do you pust the fat guy to save 5 people' situation. At the end I didn't destroy it. I just didn't see any speck of evidence that it may have been infected apart from the fact it left 30 minutes before the outbreak started. Also the outbreak started in Psychotronics so the chances were quite low IMO.

Shuttle Advent is indeed one of the trolley problems presented in the personality shift exam of the testing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

Change Tracks is Destroying the Shuttle and killing the few on board in hopes of saving Earth.
Do Nothing is just watching the counter tick down and possibly infecting Earth.
Push the fat man is destroying the station.

The extra variable this game adds in the mission design is that you don't know where the trolley is, or even if there is a trolley at that moment - and that it seems ultimately a moot point given the ending, but it allows you to hypothesize about the initial infection/invasion point along with potentially seeding some quest triggers for any further content to be based upon your decisions.

The knowledge of the "trolley" is what makes the Do Nothing scenario potentially Kill Everyone instead of saving a few.

[RCMidas]

Originally posted by Breach:

When does Igwe say that he's dead? There are e-mails (Bianca Goodwin's computer, Lobby) how he arrives on Talos to get his brain scanned and Igwe meets him in person.

When Igwe sends you to get Leitner's connectomes from his quarters and explains who Leitner is, he says: "Leitner, the pianist. He's...he's dead now."

Regarding the volunteer shuttles, there's a hidden military station near to Talos I that is probably where they are being diverted through - one of the pilots has a few notes on it (Shuttle Bay control tower and captain's loft in the Bridge) and there's at least one transcribe (also Bridge I think) that tells you how quickly the turnaround is, barely 15 minutes.

Also, the pilot Hunter Hale was responsible for the adrift volunteer shuttle you can visit in the exterior and there's a couple of emails in the Lobby's HR department regarding how he is paid a helluva lot more than any other pilot...because he negotiated his rate personally with Alex Yu.