Dragon age inquisition: why side with templars?

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Ok i have been searching around the internet for days now and cant find an answer.

Why would anyone side with the templars?
I played a mage in every dragon age game.
Fereldan temperlars are a decent sort.
Kirkwall's are screwed up.

But in dragon age inquisition go out of its way to show how screwed up the templars have become.

Just in the first area alone i encounter:
Templars killing people for being suspected(not even proven) to supply mages instead of them.
Killing a farmer because a shovel looks like a staff and keeping his wedding ring because it might be magical.
Ow and turning against the bloody CHANTRY!!!! the very thing they are suppos to serve.....

So that is treason on top banditry.
While mages are just frighten collage kids who want to go home.

Sure mages are dangerous.
But:
This is dragon age, it got dragons, bandits, darkspawn, demons, etc.
Mages atleast arent trying to hurt you most of the time.
Beside anyone can be dangerous.
Just go to an orlesian party.
Far more dangerous then a malaficar i assure you.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Messaggio originale di Sith Olus:

I think they just want to get rid of the Mages to stop anymore becoming abominations entirely (kind of, it sort of being the lesser evil for the greater good)
No-more mages = No-more abominations

Ok and how are abomination worse then dragons, bandits, darkspawn, your avarge gamer etc?

[FEZ. TF7]

Abominations are Demons who have taken possession of a living being with magical abilities, and they can access the full potential of power in the body which they reside
They are worse than everything what you have mentioned except maybe dragons

[zacharyb]

If you payed attention to the templar story, you would see that a lot of templars were tricked/following orders and then came under the effect of red lyrium. So that's not completely their fault. Also many of the templars you save all believe that they should be protecting mages not killing them.

They're not all evil just like how not all mages are evil. Throughout the game series though, they have just given you many reasons to side with the mages than to side with the templars.

[BuzzardBee]

Messaggio originale di Malaficus Shaikan:

Messaggio originale di Sith Olus:

Well i take it you haven't played through both questlines(side with Mages/Templars) so I'll try to keep it as spoiler free as i can

It wasn't the Templars that actually abandoned the chantry, the man you speak to in Val Royeaux is Lord Seeker,(head of the Seeker's) a different order altogether

He took control of the Templars when(i think this is correct) the Templar Commander was killed at the conclave and they was leaderless, so the Seekers are given the power to take charge and restore order

There's more to it but i cannot say, you'll just have to side with the Templars to find out

I know the story.
I did my research.
Him beingpossed by a demon doesnt justify the templars actions.

Meaby it will help if people knew my perspective so they can destroy it :)
The way i see it:
Templars are hellbend on killing all mage's.

Where all mage's became appostate because a a few dozen rebeled.
Most are little more then collage kids who know nothing of life or its horrors.

So i got this factions of well trained soldiers( and in my mind soldiers exist to serve and protect, not murder like a common thug) who want to kill all mages.
And mages with nowhere to go.
They cant surrender as they would probley just be killed.
Or worse they go into "cirlce's" that migh as while be concetration camps.

Now how can i, a caring person why doesnt even want people to follow his lead let alone worship him.
Justify siding with templars over freighten childeren who just want to go home.
Dont get me wrong i murder anyone mage, bandit, or templar when they hurt someone.

Also turning the tevernter wizard(what was his name?) into a tranqual is pleasing to my inner sadist(i really need to find a way to get rid of the part of my personalty)

You say that it doesn't justify the templars' actions but in fact it does. Because he's not what he seems, others were corrupted and worse. The rest followed orders because that's what they'd been trained to do. And if you had in fact played through the Templar option, you would have seen that many others did not follow blindly and opposed the rest, supporting the Inquisition.

These weren't people who abandoned their duties lightly and went off on a tear to rid the world of evil mages and anyone else that stood in their way. They weren't acting on their own instincts or volition. You cannot fault them in the end for their actions. For the few who consciously chose to support Corypheus and basically sold their souls to the devil, they were responsible for the whole mess.

On the part of the mages, the same can be said of them. Some outright rebeled against anyone and everyone more or less to continue with the rebellion that began in Kirkwall but ultimately solved nothing more than the dissolution of the Circles and the weakening of the Chantry in general. Some of the rebel mages did in fact retreat from the battlefield when ordered. The rest, either possessed by demons or led by those who were, suffered the same fate and consequences the Templars did.

So, in the end, it is very conceivable to favor one side or the other because you are seeking those who are still free of their bonds, those can still think for themselves and those who desperately what change and support the Inquisition's desire for it.

I've played both sides, both as a mage and as a warrior. Chose the mages as a mage and templars as a warrior. Playing through it again now as a rogue and trying decide which way to go this time. But it's all fun.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Messaggio originale di BuzzardBee:

Messaggio originale di Malaficus Shaikan:

I know the story.
I did my research.
Him beingpossed by a demon doesnt justify the templars actions.

Meaby it will help if people knew my perspective so they can destroy it :)
The way i see it:
Templars are hellbend on killing all mage's.

Where all mage's became appostate because a a few dozen rebeled.
Most are little more then collage kids who know nothing of life or its horrors.

So i got this factions of well trained soldiers( and in my mind soldiers exist to serve and protect, not murder like a common thug) who want to kill all mages.
And mages with nowhere to go.
They cant surrender as they would probley just be killed.
Or worse they go into "cirlce's" that migh as while be concetration camps.

Now how can i, a caring person why doesnt even want people to follow his lead let alone worship him.
Justify siding with templars over freighten childeren who just want to go home.
Dont get me wrong i murder anyone mage, bandit, or templar when they hurt someone.

Also turning the tevernter wizard(what was his name?) into a tranqual is pleasing to my inner sadist(i really need to find a way to get rid of the part of my personalty)

You say that it doesn't justify the templars' actions but in fact it does. Because he's not what he seems, others were corrupted and worse. The rest followed orders because that's what they'd been trained to do. And if you had in fact played through the Templar option, you would have seen that many others did not follow blindly and opposed the rest, supporting the Inquisition.

These weren't people who abandoned their duties lightly and went off on a tear to rid the world of evil mages and anyone else that stood in their way. They weren't acting on their own instincts or volition. You cannot fault them in the end for their actions. For the few who consciously chose to support Corypheus and basically sold their souls to the devil, they were responsible for the whole mess.

On the part of the mages, the same can be said of them. Some outright rebeled against anyone and everyone more or less to continue with the rebellion that began in Kirkwall but ultimately solved nothing more than the dissolution of the Circles and the weakening of the Chantry in general. Some of the rebel mages did in fact retreat from the battlefield when ordered. The rest, either possessed by demons or led by those who were, suffered the same fate and consequences the Templars did.

So, in the end, it is very conceivable to favor one side or the other because you are seeking those who are still free of their bonds, those can still think for themselves and those who desperately what change and support the Inquisition's desire for it.

I've played both sides, both as a mage and as a warrior. Chose the mages as a mage and templars as a warrior. Playing through it again now as a rogue and trying decide which way to go this time. But it's all fun.

An interesting point of view.

[FEZ. TF7]

The Mages and Templars you see fighting in certain area's have basically gone rogue and neither belong to any order, you could even go as far to say they are indeed bandit's

The Templars which i mentioned that are trying to kill the mages because they fear they will become abominations belong to the rogue Templars, it's no different than what Cullen was trying to persuade you to do in Broken Circle in DA:O and in a sense he was right just look at what the head of the Mages turned into at the end of DA2, a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Harvester

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Everyone thanks for there help.
Last question: are there any advantage's of picking one over the other.
For example: mages give x item or templars give y troops?

[FEZ. TF7]

Yeah side with the Templars and when you enter the Dreamworld of Envy, there are 3 statue's for you to find, each of them increase one stat, can't remember what they are but i think it's strength, cunning and constitution, you don't get this from siding with the mages,

Anyway have you changed your perspective on siding with the Templars

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Messaggio originale di Sith Olus:

Yeah side with the Templars and when you enter the Dreamworld of Envy, there are 3 statue's for you to find, each of them increase one stat, can't remember what they are but i think it's strength, cunning and constitution, you don't get this from siding with the mages,

Anyway have you changed your perspective on siding with the Templars

No.
I do now understand why people side with templars.
I just prefeer mage's.
Probley why i play a dalish mage.....every single time.

I cannon condone genocied just because something might be dangerous.

[FEZ. TF7]

Messaggio originale di Malaficus Shaikan:

Messaggio originale di Sith Olus:

Yeah side with the Templars and when you enter the Dreamworld of Envy, there are 3 statue's for you to find, each of them increase one stat, can't remember what they are but i think it's strength, cunning and constitution, you don't get this from siding with the mages,

Anyway have you changed your perspective on siding with the Templars

No.
I do now understand why people side with templars.
I just prefeer mage's.
Probley why i play a dalish mage.....every single time.

I cannon condone genocied just because something might be dangerous.

LoL
Even in DA:O Morrigan tells you that the Mages brought it on themselve's and that they deserve their fate,
Thing is in DA:I mage's you create would be classed as apostate's so they share nothing incommon with these mages that are in rebelion other than they're gifted in the arcane arts

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Messaggio originale di Sith Olus:

Messaggio originale di Malaficus Shaikan:

No.
I do now understand why people side with templars.
I just prefeer mage's.
Probley why i play a dalish mage.....every single time.

I cannon condone genocied just because something might be dangerous.

LoL
Even in DA:O Morrigan tells you that the Mages brought it on themselve's and that they deserve their fate,
Thing is in DA:I mage's you create would be classed as apostate's so they share nothing incommon with these mages that are in rebelion other than they're gifted in the arcane arts

Morrigan isnt the nicest person and her opion means little to me.
Really?
Correct me if i am wrong but the only reason templars dont hunt dalish mage's is because it isnt worth the effort.
Meril said so in dragon age 2.

Lets run a little senario.
Humans are blamed for the destruction of the elven way of life and the lost of there power and inmortality.

Templars are mostly humans who hunt mage's.
Dalish keepers are mages.

The dalish blame the chantry for forcing elves to worship there maker.
Templars where for a long time the militery arm of the chantry.

Now the circle mage's are hunted by the templars.

How did that saying go?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

[FEZ. TF7]

Messaggio originale di Malaficus Shaikan:

Messaggio originale di Sith Olus:

Morrigan's the sweetest thing in DA, you should believe everything she tells you,

Have you played through the whole game of DA:I ? if you have you should know that Corypheus shouldn't take the full blame for the Breach, infact a Elf gave him the tools which were Elven for his destruction to happen and with instruments like that you can see why they were hunted to the brink of extinction by humans,
and what about the Next Dragon Age game, if it continue's on from where DA:I left off then then you might just see a Elven godess returning to rain destruction on the world

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Messaggio originale di Sith Olus:

Morrigan's the sweetest thing in DA, you should believe everything she tells you,

Sorry i am more into the easy to control, submissive type like meril.

Messaggio originale di Sith Olus:

Have you played through the whole game of DA:I ?

I read the DA:I wikipedia.......

Messaggio originale di Sith Olus:

If you have you should know that Corypheus shouldn't take the full blame for the Breach, infact a Elf gave him the tools which were Elven for his destruction to happen and with instruments like that you can see why they were hunted to the brink of extinction by humans,

So everyone with weapons of mass destruction shoud be exterminated?
So the usa, europe, russia, china etc shoud all be wiped out because they have weapons of mass destruction?

I dont recall a single codext mentioning the elves attacked humans first.
So they basicly wiped out a race because there where afraid of what might happen or meaby they where just jealous?

[sarcasm]That doesnt sound like the templars at all[/sarcasm]

Yes abuse of power exist.
But the difference between solus and corypheus is that one wanted to help and the other wanted to become a god.
A very evil god at that.

Messaggio originale di Sith Olus:

And what about the Next Dragon Age game, if it continue's on from where DA:I left off then then you might just see a Elven godess returning to rain destruction on the world

I woudnt put it past easgames to make a dragon age mmo where we hunt that godess.
Joking aside.
That would accauly be awesome.
The wraith of a godess.
How will it effect the world.
Will your fight againt improbable odds.
Remain faithfull to the makar.
Join with the cult that worships her.
Or lead the dalish back to rules of the world?

The difference between a human and an animal is the ability to choice.
An animal cant defy its nature.
A human can.

[FEZ. TF7]

Thats probably why the humans hunted them down because the fear of the power which they possessed
Or maybe because the humans made claim to the lands(kind of like when Britain claimed America), the Indians(elves) resisted from being drove out of their lands and was almost wiped out- similar to the Elven

I wouldn't say that everyone with weapons of Mass Destruction should be exterminated but the weapons themselve's should be destroyed

I really wouldn't want an MMO of Dragon Age, i would much prefer another good single player game, but if a MMO was to be made i would take a look but only if the gameplay was near enough the same as what we have now
That said i too wouldn't put it passed EA to make a MMO based on that storyline, they certainly have a good enough world and lore to create one

[Xafron Chi]

Some people might like going with the templars just to explore all the possibilities. Some might like being bad. Heck, some might even agree with the templars behavior.