dragon age inquisition frustration

[BoydofZINJ]

So far i am not overly impressed with it.

I am playing on Nightmare difficulty and picked a dwarf 2 handed warrior as my character and the first boss (slight spoilers here) is not too tough to defeat but there is a trick to it... I need to close the rift at specific times. Two things messing me up.

First, I have to click on the rift which is hard to do... the camera controls are really BAD. The rift is so high and half the fight i am too close to it, so i have to run away to see it with my main and click it. Then, if I select a different character - my main character decides NOT to close the rift and attack the invulnerable boss that stays invulnerable until I can click on the Rift.

Second, I decided to get a charge as my first ability. My character always uses all their abilities... even ones I do NOT want him to use. I do not want him to use the auto taunt, and WHAM he does. My companion tank uses all her abilities to no effect as well... UGH

Unlike DA:O i can not figure out away to disable them spamming their abilities. Then the mage will auto cast his protective spell on party members who have no threat... UGH

[BoydofZINJ]

I found a NPC shop in the main town that sells respect scrolls. The first one cost 1 coin ... after that its 350-ish or 345-ish coins. I am almost level 4, and been exploring and I have over 1500 coins. I also discovered a neat way to auto attack. One of my worse complaints is that if you run out of stamina or mana and need to attack you need to either spam your left mouse button or the keyboard key to auto attack. There is no toggle. However, if you go into tactical mode and STAY in tactical mode you can order your people to attack and they will auto attack for you. However, that means you will be stuck in overhead view for most of the game and combat.

[Amycus]

引用自 BoydofZINJ：

I found a NPC shop in the main town that sells respect scrolls. The first one cost 1 coin ... after that its 350-ish or 345-ish coins. I am almost level 4, and been exploring and I have over 1500 coins. I also discovered a neat way to auto attack. One of my worse complaints is that if you run out of stamina or mana and need to attack you need to either spam your left mouse button or the keyboard key to auto attack. There is no toggle. However, if you go into tactical mode and STAY in tactical mode you can order your people to attack and they will auto attack for you. However, that means you will be stuck in overhead view for most of the game and combat.

I had heard that elsewhere as well, but the same earlier source also claimed that the tactical overview was almost unusable. Whats your opinion of the tactical camera (as in, does it work as one would expect prior to release)?

[BoydofZINJ]

With the exception of one boss battle... it is very useable - just take it slowly. I have to pause and adjust from time to time. I play most of my battles in overhead view, with tactical.

One weakness, at first, was the positioning. When you move your troops to a specific position (I got the archer a bonus to hit from high elevation and if he flanked - so i like moving him to elevation and to flank for the most damage), sometimes your troops will still MOVE! ugh

However, if you double click on an area to move it to - you can actually tell them to hold that position. Which is nice.

I will be honest, my first 4 hours or so... I hated the game... almost gave up and asked for a refund from Origin. Now I am in love. I had to get used to the new control and RESEARCH on how to handle my characters. Keep in mind, nothing to do with the story ... just the UI and the auto attack toggle and the lack of true keyboard and mouse support and binding. Now that I am used to it... it is great!

Lastly, DO NOT GET THE DIGITAL DELUXE. After the boss fight you get access to your "blue" weapons and "blue" armor. Within 10 or 15 minutes I got "white" drops that were as good or better than my digital deluxe set. I just replaced my weapon, so I no longer use anything from digital deluxe set. This is opposite of Origin where the armor and weapons from DLC or Mass Effect could last you the entire game.

[Amycus]

引用自 BoydofZINJ：

With the exception of one boss battle... it is very useable - just take it slowly. I have to pause and adjust from time to time. I play most of my battles in overhead view, with tactical.

One weakness, at first, was the positioning. When you move your troops to a specific position (I got the archer a bonus to hit from high elevation and if he flanked - so i like moving him to elevation and to flank for the most damage), sometimes your troops will still MOVE! ugh

However, if you double click on an area to move it to - you can actually tell them to hold that position. Which is nice.

I will be honest, my first 4 hours or so... I hated the game... almost gave up and asked for a refund from Origin. Now I am in love. I had to get used to the new control and RESEARCH on how to handle my characters. Keep in mind, nothing to do with the story ... just the UI and the auto attack toggle and the lack of true keyboard and mouse support and binding. Now that I am used to it... it is great!

Lastly, DO NOT GET THE DIGITAL DELUXE. After the boss fight you get access to your "blue" weapons and "blue" armor. Within 10 or 15 minutes I got "white" drops that were as good or better than my digital deluxe set. I just replaced my weapon, so I no longer use anything from digital deluxe set. This is opposite of Origin where the armor and weapons from DLC or Mass Effect could last you the entire game.

Well that is certainly sounds positive at least... might still keep an eye on this for a bit longer after all. If nothing else its good to hear that you at least managed to get some enjoyment of the game :) Thank you for sharing your experiences here, it helps a lot for us who still are a bit on the fence.

[Gentoo]

I am also not blown away by this game. It feels like a MMO rerigged for a single player, with a story layered onto it. The combat is clunky, and especially frustratin with a keyboard and mouse. Since I plugged in my controller, it has been a lot better, but still not great. The combat in Dragon Age Origins was tactical, and better than here. It was easier to work the camera and see what was going on, and as noted above. Dragon Age 2 combat was action spammy, and this game can do that, but if you are in that mode it is frustrating to try to tell companions what to do and where to go. You hvae less tactical control in that mode than you did in Dragon Age 2. Really, I would have preferred the combat system of either of the previous games. This game tries to do both, and doesn't do either very well.

The magic schools are no better than what we have seen before. Though I am not playing a mage, so can't say other than what I have done iwth my companion characters. There is no healing, but that's fine. There is a universal potion supply (you start with 8). There is no healing between battles, and you need to heal up after. You can carry other potions, including regen postions, 5 per character at first, which also helps with healing.

The play area really IS massive as they boasted. Its absolutely huge. There really are landmarks and stories everywhere, though most of them are of the "get this", "kill that" variety. If you don't take the time to read the text, it is pretty standart MMO stuff. If you let yourself get too into the "side quests" (busywork), the story feels very disjointed and not nearly as focussed as Dragon Age 1 or 2.

The story is pretty good though. The characters are better than I feared, but not as good as I was hoping, at least so far. The dialogue and story is worthy of the name Dragon Age, and that is what I bought the game for, so I am not upset.

[acbatchelor]

My wired controller is working perfectly fine for me. And you don't have to spam a button to continue attacking. Just hold the attack button. Unless that's what you mean. To me spamming a button means pressing it over and over.

引用自 BoydofZINJ：

As for the controller, I hear that is a hot mess to use on the PC - and lots of people can NOT use it on the PC version. There is no automatic attack button - you have to spam a button to do autoattacks. If you do not click your left mouse button or B (the auto attack button on the keyboard - i may have switched it to B.. so I am sorry if its different); otherwise the character you are controlling does nothing. You have to get used to it.. but its worse than DA2 and DA:O in those aspects.

[BoydofZINJ]

引用自 acbatchelor：

My wired controller is working perfectly fine for me. And you don't have to spam a button to continue attacking. Just hold the attack button. Unless that's what you mean. To me spamming a button means pressing it over and over.

引用自 BoydofZINJ：

As for the controller, I hear that is a hot mess to use on the PC - and lots of people can NOT use it on the PC version. There is no automatic attack button - you have to spam a button to do autoattacks. If you do not click your left mouse button or B (the auto attack button on the keyboard - i may have switched it to B.. so I am sorry if its different); otherwise the character you are controlling does nothing. You have to get used to it.. but its worse than DA2 and DA:O in those aspects.

For mouse and keyboard u have to press a button multiple times or click the mouse multiple times. I think you can hold down the left mouse button - but i stay in tactical ... so I am not too sure anymore.

[Moffin Bovin]

引用自 BoydofZINJ：

As for the controller, I hear that is a hot mess to use on the PC - and lots of people can NOT use it on the PC version.

The controller on tthe pc version i imagine works the same as on the console version. You have to go back to the main menu and change it to use a controller instead of M+KB and it changes the whole UI. Also, its awsome. You press select to go into tactics mode and it auto pauses the game. You can scroll between party members with up and down on the D pad, issue commands and then either hit select again to go back to action mode or hold down the right trigger. Time only passes when you hold down the trigger. I found it to be a very intuitive control system for a compulsive pauser like myself.

In Tactics mode without a game pad (in DA:I) i felt like i was fighting the camera with the mouse. Im glad i already owned a xbox controller for my pc, otherwise i would have been very upset with buying the game in the first place.

[la_nague]

i dont see any use for a controller on the Pc version, i tried. The only thing it has going for it is rumble, actually.

In tactical i control my camera positionwith the keyboard and the angle with the mouse.
It is slightly annoying that they did not implement edgescroll, i agree totally.
The limited zoom out is also annoying, i think they were afraid too much zoom out would take players out of immersion or something.

The action camera works exactly like WoW, move wioth keyboard and look around and steer with mouse, no problems here.


I play on nightmare with tactical combat and pause often and use minimal AI, so it plays like DA:O for me.
I can see why some people who dont like to pause would be annoyed because instead of if-then Ai behaviour modifications, you can only tell them to use an ability, use it MORE or not use it.
No more Wynne 20 line heal macro for optimal auto healing.



One thing that really bothers me so far is that the combat is more "darksouls" like and relies on hit detection 100%, which means you can friendly fire your own guys not only with a mage fireball, but also with melee attacks or arrows. It also means the enemies that are taunted by your tank will still damage your backstabbing rogue because they do starnge swings sometimes that have 360° damage range.