Ogre

[Jhovany133300]

you guys! the ogre keeps destroying me and im stuck in the tower fighting it during the first battle against the darkspawn. and tips to beat it?

[aK]

If you're on normal difficulty, just try and keep the agro on your tank. Pause the game and make sure you are using all the spells from each party member. Using a few health pots will help you alot. If you're playinng on hard or higher, you have to micro manage with pausing.

[[AJSA]MeloDeath]

well you can do it the noob way arm all you other guys with range weapons and have the tank run around in circles and just keeping the agro other then that try to time the mage paralyse abillity (If yourself arent a mage you will have it) with the ogres grapling abillity and dont let your guys get aoe damaged to much

[Jhovany133300]

i did it! had to micro manage like a freak but i finally beat the damn thing. then i got shot anyways but atleast i advanced the story. thanks guys

[Johnny 5]

Yep yep, make your guys ranged, shoot and run. If your guys get grabbed use special abilities to disrupt it I think shield bash works, any stun, mage use winters grasp.

[sixgun64]

So, if you play on normal, the tactical 'micro-managing,' style will essentially be unavoidable for the difficult fights. It may be offputting if you are used mostly to action RPGs, but once you get the tactics down you will find yourself beating bosses on the hardest difficulty with all your people still at full health.

Set their triggers in an efficient manner. I will set Alistair to taunt anyone who attacks the party mage, set the other warrior (Sten, Oghren, Shale, Mabari) to also attack anyone who hits mage; with secondary focus on those who attack the group rogue. You also want to be sure that you have every class in your group. It helps if you've played things like WoW. Mage, warrior, rogue.

So, for your next big fight, try Morrigan, Sten (if warden is a rogue), Leliana (if warden is a warrior), and Alistair. You will want Alistair as your primary tank, since he has the sword and shield. Put enough points in his strength so that he can equip high level gear, then dump the rest of his stats into constitution. Keep the threat generating sustained ability on at all times. Then if you have Sten, set him to pull off of Alistair when his health drops below 50%. Have Morrigan cast mind blast whenever there's a dense group of enemies. If you are using Leliana have her use pinning shot on an archer or mage and send your warden to pick them off while Alistair tanks the melee fighters.

With this all as a baseline, get used to hitting SPACE to pause the game, then scroll back into tactical view. This is something you will want to become very conversant with. In this way, you can set each individual action of each character in stop-time. You can do things like cast the vulnerability hex on high health targets with Morrigan; then use things like drain life, lightning, frost and whatnot. Have Sten pommel strike people who are attacking rapidly. Have Alistair shield bash whichever foe does the most damage. I usually roll a rogue warden so I will set him behind enemies, stun and backstab, then dual weapon sweep anytime there are two or more people in front of him.

Once you start looking at this all tactically, you will kick this game's ass, and you will also have learned a little bit about strategy, Sun Tzu would be proud.

[Strandly]

I just make a sh---load of health potions and brute force stuff. :p

[Supermanpong]

Originally posted by Strandly:

I just make a sh---load of health potions and brute force stuff. :p

so the noob way?

[sixgun64]

Aye, that's how I played when I was younger and this game came out.. I am really glad I learned the tactics behind it eventually, however, because I feel I get a lot more gratification when I finesse my way through a fight where I am completely outmatched...

Try learning the gambits or tactics or whatever they're called, at least. That's how I began to understand the order of things and the way you could really develop a strategy for any encounter. It makes me feel smart as all hell.

[Strandly]

Originally posted by Irishpenguins:

Originally posted by Strandly:

I just make a sh---load of health potions and brute force stuff. :p

so the noob way?

No, I'm just not ret(a)rded and can play the game without pausing it.

[aK]

When you don't need to depend on health pots on nightmare, that's when you know you're good at the game, some people don't like to think to much, so they just slam down potions to make the game more fun.

[Von Faustien]

Originally posted by Irishpenguins:

Originally posted by Strandly:

I just make a sh---load of health potions and brute force stuff. :p

so the noob way?

isnt blood mage arcane warrior godtank the noob way?

[Supermanpong]

Originally posted by jrr101:

Originally posted by Irishpenguins:

so the noob way?

isnt blood mage arcane warrior godtank the noob way?

yes it could be since it is the OP class but it takes awhile to build that class and get al lthe talents and equipment neccisary for it. Although when it comes to just spaming health potions you can do that the moment you enter Ostagar so one noob way takes about half the game to use/aquire while the other noob way can be used throughout the whole entire game.

[Supermanpong]

Originally posted by aKristo:

When you don't need to depend on health pots on nightmare, that's when you know you're good at the game, some people don't like to think to much, so they just slam down potions to make the game more fun.

very true. when your on nightmare and your slaming down 10 health potions per fight, then your obviously doing something wrong and your not very good. Your not really playing a harder difficulty your just having to press the health potion button more then usual than on a different difficulty.

[Supermanpong]

Originally posted by Strandly:

Originally posted by Irishpenguins:

so the noob way?

No, I'm just not ret(a)rded and can play the game without pausing it.

uh a smart person would pause the game to strategically place units and use talents to the best of their ability to conserve as many resrouces as possible. A "ret(a)rd" would just charge in and repetedly just press one button over and over again until the fight is over.

[K00lex]

Originally posted by sixgun64:

You will want Alistair as your primary tank, since he has the sword and shield. Put enough points in his strength so that he can equip high level gear, then dump the rest of his stats into constitution.

No, not Constitution. Raise DEX, so that he can avoid getting hit (higher DEF) and can hit back (contribution to ATT score).

Originally posted by sixgun64:

Keep the threat generating sustained ability on at all times. Then if you have Sten, set him to pull off of Alistair when his health drops below 50%. Have Morrigan cast mind blast whenever there's a dense group of enemies. If you are using Leliana have her use pinning shot on an archer or mage and send your warden to pick them off while Alistair tanks the melee fighters.

Here's an earlier post I made about Tactics (for those unfamiliar with it):
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Set up Tactics ahead for your main character and each companions, including Dog & Shale, such as "Enemy: Target Using Magic or Ranged" ===> "Pinning Shot" or "Winter's Grasp".
Or, "Enemy: Rank-Elite or higher" ===> "MIghty Blow" or "Shield Pummel"
Or, "Enemy: Highest health" ===> "Assault" or "Overpower"
Or, "Enemy: Nearest visible" ===> "Attack"
Or, "Self: Surrounded by x enemies" ===> "Mind Blast" or "Shield Bash" or "Two-Handed Sweep"
Or, "Self: Health < 25%" ---> "Heal" or "Use health poultice"
Everyone already has basic tactics initially, but it's prudent to change them to fit your play-style. The game has several standard sets (Scrapper, Defender, Archer, Damager, Healer, etc...). Use them as guides to save custom sets. Also, change Behavior from Default to Aggressive or Ranged.
*** See DA Wikia page for more detals: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Tactics_(Origins)