Duncan is a psychopath lol (spoilers i guess)

[Rampage]

No reason not to let sir jory just go home what a crazy old bastard!

[punkazzneon]

I don't see how what Duncan did makes him a psycho. Each person agreed to join the grey wardens to fight an army of darkspawn...and it's well known that the grey wardens have always been the ones to defeat them alone. He also makes it clear that he's recruiting because there aren't enough wardens for the upcoming war.

Logically, each person should have known they were volunteering to participate in a suicide mission. Even if he wasn't joining the wardens, just being a soldier in that war...each person should have known to expect some risk. Jory claimed he didn't want to die for the sake of his wife and child...but if that was the case, why was he there to begin with? He saw no glory in the joining? From playing all the games...up until inquisition..just being with the grey wardens gave you honor and labeled you a hero, whether you deserved it or not. Hence Blackwall in Inquisition.

The way I see it, the joining ..and Duncans actions weeded out the cowardice and selfish. Chances are..even if Duncan hadn't killed him, Jory still would have likely died when the battle went south.

As for the secret of the joining and your player blurting it out to your party...You have to remember that your player is brand new at being a Warden. Even Alistar had little to no experience in fighting darkspawn. With no experienced wardens to teach and guide them...I understand why the option to spread that secret is there.

Besides, you can't keep any secrets at that campsite. Just romance Alistar and listen to the advice everyone gives him in the art of romance ;)

[CJHRRIHRH]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von punkazzneon:

I don't see how what Duncan did makes him a psycho. Each person agreed to join the grey wardens to fight an army of darkspawn...and it's well known that the grey wardens have always been the ones to defeat them alone. He also makes it clear that he's recruiting because there aren't enough wardens for the upcoming war.

But it's not well known that the mere joining ritual could kill you. Duncan deliberately kept the truth of the risks from them and Jory died because of that. Jory was confident in his skills, and could have survived battle. But the joining is like a coin toss. If he had known about it, he wouldn't have joined.

Logically, each person should have known they were volunteering to participate in a suicide mission.

Not every war is considered a suicide mission. Cailan was doubtful of the blight and thought they'd defeat the darkspawn quickly, an attitude that must have been shared by some.

Jory claimed he didn't want to die for the sake of his wife and child...but if that was the case, why was he there to begin with?

He did not sacrifice his life to save his family. He was murdered so that the grey wardens could protect their secrets and deceive more people.

The way I see it, the joining ..and Duncans actions weeded out the cowardice and selfish. Chances are..even if Duncan hadn't killed him, Jory still would have likely died when the battle went south.

As though that makes killing him OK. I don't consider it cowardly or selfish to not risk your life on a 50-50 ritual, just like I don't consider it cowardly to not play russian roulette. I don't consider it cowardly to back out of a deal you were deceived into taking, especially when your life's on the line.

As for the secret of the joining and your player blurting it out to your party...You have to remember that your player is brand new at being a Warden. Even Alistar had little to no experience in fighting darkspawn. With no experienced wardens to teach and guide them...I understand why the option to spread that secret is there.

Also your player and Alistair aren't psychopaths.

[Moffin Bovin]

Grey wardens are needed. If you tell people that drinking the darkspawn blood could kill them then alot of them who would survive would back out. The secret needs to stay secret and if you just let people go who refuse then it wouldnt stay secret. Also, becomming a Grey Warden is a death sentance anyway.

You know in wars irl they would kill people who tried to run away.

[CJHRRIHRH]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MofineBovine:

Grey wardens are needed. If you tell people that drinking the darkspawn blood could kill them then alot of them who would survive would back out.

As is their right. You ask someone to put their life on the line and they deserve to know the truth. I guess it comes down to how much you think the ends justifies the means. I don't think it does, and you do. I also don't think that the lie is necessary because the assertion that no-one would join if they knew about the joining is speculation.

Even if people knew the truth they might still take it, like dwarf noble origin and city elf origin, for the protection being a grey warden offers. And you only need one. It might be possible that by being more open that would actually inspire people more than the myths built around them.

The secret needs to stay secret and if you just let people go who refuse then it wouldnt stay secret. Also, becomming a Grey Warden is a death sentance anyway.

You know in wars irl they would kill people who tried to run away.

The imprisonment of conscientious objectors is considered a grave injustice, and the death penalty for desertion hasn't been applied in the US since the second world war. Irl leaving the army is not considered to be punishable by death.

Even if you know what you signed up for, which Jory didn't, desertion should not warrant death.

[Aurelian]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rampage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von huntinghawk:

WHAT.. are you kidding me.... Duncan was the sweetest charactor in the game

Thats what I thought back in the days as well, now Im replaying the game it just seems insane that if someone doesnt want to go trough the ritual he just kills em...

he has to safe guard the ritual secret....


or maby he does have a masive blood lust for jory blood and just says that anyway....

[Emmental]

I never trusted Duncan. He looks like an arab terrorist. I wouldn't get on a plane with him.