The current state of discourse around Dragon Age is disappointing

[Warlock]

Been going through the discussion threads, reviews, saw comments under Veilguard related videos critical of the game, and a lot of them are disappointing. It feels like many people don't understand why the 4th game is actually bad.

Buzzwords or scapegoating with words like "woke", "gender politics", "Californian agenda", etc is not an accurate or legitimate criticism. The games always were progressive and left-leaning, the first Mass Effect game had even caused stir for Fox News to react over the sex scenes in game. The real problems with the Veilguard are lazy writing, oversanitized story, dialogue, characters, Marvelsque "humor", lore retcons/breaks, lack of roleplay options like being evil selfish character, being rude to your companions, dismissive of them, or even sending them away from the group. All of what I've mentioned is a genuine criticism of the Veilguard and there is grounded evidence on this. "Woke agenda" is not a valid critique of the game. The Veilguard is a terrible game, I'll take Origins over it at any time, and it's a shame how Dragon Age will not have proper conclusion now with Veilguard being the last game in the series.

Last I wanted to mention that even DA: Origins had a diverse cast of characters, and even one non-binary character. Shale. Shale tells the Warden that they don't consider themselves either a man or a woman because of being a golem. That was a good representation and writing of queer people then, Shale didn't say they're "non-binary", Shale simply stated they don't feel like either gender. It's a shame how much of valid criticism of the game will be buried under tons of comments with word "woke" in them.

[Chappie]

Proper name is Andy Bushe. Has severe mental issues and therapy is not working.

Taash is a self insert of Andy. Busche, claims that he left EA/BioWare for 'better opportunities,' yet still clings to Veilguard on social media. Claims he wasn’t fired, yet posts vague, passive-aggressive takes implying the Veilguard team was let go due to discrimination rather than not doing their jobs.

Meanwhile, he’s actively sabotaging the next Mass Effect because it’s no longer DEI-led.

Back when BioWare announced The VeilGuard with the big reveal trailer on YouTube. BioWare has been getting some significant backlash when the official trailer reveal received 300 000 dislikes and getting roasted in comments.

That all led up to this big reveal of the character creation. It is one thing to have your virtual avatar in a video game to have they/them pronouns and identify as non-binary, but Bioware went a step further adding Top surgery scars as an option. This is something that mentally ill people do in modern day United States and Western countries. Of course this got roasted by nearly everyone who's a normal person.

Bioware Edmonton is down to less than 72 employees and the end of Bioware is likely even if Mass Effect 5 is a success. The Woke killed Bioware and a pair of beloved IPs.

The Woke hate us, simply for not clapping for them and for their existence, because this is the PARTICIPATION TROPHY generation and if you don't just cheer for everything they're about cheer for, and all of their Woke identity aspects they can't handle it, they break down mentally.

Remember -- SJW Woke Activists yell and lecture the public then cry victim.

History lesson -- Alyssa Mercante and Kim Belair goes out of their way to be seen as a victim.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Chappie:

Proper name is Andy Bushe. Has severe mental issues and therapy is not working.

Taash is a self insert of Andy. Busche, claims that he left EA/BioWare for 'better opportunities,' yet still clings to Veilguard on social media. Claims he wasn’t fired, yet posts vague, passive-aggressive takes implying the Veilguard team was let go due to discrimination rather than not doing their jobs.

Meanwhile, he’s actively sabotaging the next Mass Effect because it’s no longer DEI-led.

Back when BioWare announced The VeilGuard with the big reveal trailer on YouTube. BioWare has been getting some significant backlash when the official trailer reveal received 300 000 dislikes and getting roasted in comments.

That all led up to this big reveal of the character creation. It is one thing to have your virtual avatar in a video game to have they/them pronouns and identify as non-binary, but Bioware went a step further adding Top surgery scars as an option. This is something that mentally ill people do in modern day United States and Western countries. Of course this got roasted by nearly everyone who's a normal person.

Bioware Edmonton is down to less than 72 employees and the end of Bioware is likely even if Mass Effect 5 is a success. The Woke killed Bioware and a pair of beloved IPs.

The Woke hate us, simply for not clapping for them and for their existence, because this is the PARTICIPATION TROPHY generation and if you don't just cheer for everything they're about cheer for, and all of their Woke identity aspects they can't handle it, they break down mentally.

Remember -- SJW Woke Activists yell and lecture the public then cry victim.

History lesson -- Alyssa Mercante and Kim Belair goes out of their way to be seen as a victim.

A Wizards of The Coast employee at the their Skeleton Key studio just leaked that Busche has been hired by WoTC as Creative Director at the studio.

[dolmore]

Originally posted by dolmore:

Maybe Steam will cave like Zuckerberg and eliminate moderation altogether. The flame wars started up by narrow-minded bigots are bad enough on this forum. Imagine how much worse it could get. The anti-"woke" crowd seems to think that free speech only applies to them.

There is still moderation. It's called community notes, and they still will remove things that are illegal. [/quote]

Moderation is a disinterested third party injecting reason and fairness into a discussion. Community notes are mob rule and is separate from "legality".

[BOT]

boy.. this conversation about woke stuff and non woke stuff.. goes way to long.
also .. all this binoray and nonbinary stuff too..

if you have such charakter in the game.. okey.. no one cares if there are charakters like that or not.. there are every type of charakters in games.. BUT it is implemented very very poor.

you have gay or lesbian or rasist people everywhere in games .. in all different kind of games.. BUT it is most times well integreated. so much so.. that no one complains.

if the devs would made the DA-V not just dull and superficial it could have potential..
BUT the whole game is dull and superficial and boring .. it hase zero detail.. zero depth.. zero and i mean it that way.. ZERO !..

the game targeted completly young and naive people.. wich i dont understand why they did it.. i have my theorie but cannot write it here. because their main audiance was people who loved detail and depth games. and they just changed it.. and where thinkin ohh we already have the old audiance/fanbase now lets make it easy to enter our game so we win more people as fanbase.. as if you would not lose some of the older fanbase bye doing that.

on top of all this stuff comes.. that everyone was fed up with the woke agenda and covid and we deside what is good for you agenda.. everyone was fed up with those things.. so much so .. that DA-V got realeased right at that time also. pushing it down your throat.

if it would be that she/her is confused and need help to orient him/herself .. that would have been way better.. then just letting the charakter exists in that non-binary state.. because in reality it is the same.. those people are confused and need guidens from a therapist .. and also in reality those people just bother other people and other people get fed up with it..
all DA-V did was capture this "fed up" moment and presented it the audiance.. why the hell would you want your playerbase to be fed up with the game?.. you are just dragging their mood down.. wich leads into lesser dopamin .. lesser fun /joy.. and therir you go.. millions of complains about wokeism.

also you should never push one single agenda .. give people always a choice.. otherwhise you will seein as tyranical/dictatorial and so on.. since the game was just dull and superficial.. there was no choices no depth..

if i play DA-O i can see hundret different choises and outcomes. technicly they are 3. good-evil-neutral. but still .. it gives the player a feeling of depth.. you gave the player a feeling of it must be done thisway. and every human hates that.. even animals hate it if they HAVE to do it that way.

thx god i refuned it.. i saw so many trailer and video-material that i already knew it will be shi** and seein all that gameplay videos.. it was more then dull.. i mean yes the graphics is nice and all that.. but it feels just empty to play.

[Wandering Mania]

Originally posted by Bullpup:

In my view the solution to this state of affairs is not banning speech on either side and let them get to know one another again.

To the Left: That's not an option. It's 'agree with them fully', or 'you deserve to be silenced'.
And to the Right: Because of that second stance the left has, they see them as insane.

This is why it's important not to go extremest either way; But this is what they have been building for the past 13 years. Echo chambers that they got so used to, they forgot, and now despise, any opposing thought.

[ari.stefans1989]

I wanted to buy the DLC for Dragon Age: Origins on my PS3 but it´s server had been shut down with no way to even move the DLC over from PC.
THAT DOES IT, I´LL NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM EA EVER AGAIN, NOT EVEN MASS EFFECT 5!!!!!!!!!!

[BOT]

Originally posted by ari.stefans1989:

I wanted to buy the DLC for Dragon Age: Origins on my PS3 but it´s server had been shut down with no way to even move the DLC over from PC.
THAT DOES IT, I´LL NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM EA EVER AGAIN, NOT EVEN MASS EFFECT 5!!!!!!!!!!

dude.. that is a foolish argument. the game is centurys old.. you cannot accpect companys to have service for a game, for eternity.

[Dragon Master]

In an investor's call, the EA CEO has fully admitted to Dragon Age: The Veilguard failed.

He also said it failed because it lacked live-service.

[Wandering Mania]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

In an investor's call, the EA CEO has fully admitted to Dragon Age: The Veilguard failed.

He also said it failed because it lacked live-service.

And that just shows how disconnected from the players the developers/publishers really are.

[TheSpiderKing]

Dragon age was never woke. It was open to ideas without being political based on real life ideals.

I could point out how allowing gay sex was never woke it was just optional content. The forced pandering to people like trans people who never liked dragon age till it was advetized with lazy stories, lazy portrayals of people for sells, the forced im bi nary when non bi nari even know what the word means.

Ever since, dragon age was create for people who hate fantasy rpgs. The new devs insulted the old players.

Im fairly certain what made dragon age great wasnt inclussivity or reoresentation. It was the dark story an characters that felt real enough that kept players interested.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by TheSpiderKing:

I could point out how allowing gay sex was never woke it was just optional content. The forced pandering to people like trans people who never liked dragon age till it was advetized with lazy stories, lazy portrayals of people for sells, the forced im bi nary when non bi nari even know what the word means.

POV: You bought into grifter propaganda

Veilguard had ♥♥♥♥ writing, that's why a lot of even "woke" people dislike it. As a side note, I've always liked Dragon Age, as a trans person. One of the first games I played

[The Dude]

Originally posted by Tr0w:

A Wizards of The Coast employee at the their Skeleton Key studio just leaked that Busche has been hired by WoTC as Creative Director at the studio.

Fantastic. I'm sure they'll fit right in.

BTW - A terrible writer can still produce passable work when they are properly managed. Note the difference of quality between Origins and Two where the only change in the Studio was management loosening the reigns.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by The Dude:

Originally posted by Tr0w:

A Wizards of The Coast employee at the their Skeleton Key studio just leaked that Busche has been hired by WoTC as Creative Director at the studio.

Fantastic. I'm sure they'll fit right in.

BTW - A terrible writer can still produce passable work when they are properly managed. Note the difference of quality between Origins and Two where the only change in the Studio was management loosening the reigns.

Well, WotC doesn't have any single good manager or talented writer there either.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by The Dude:

Fantastic. I'm sure they'll fit right in.

BTW - A terrible writer can still produce passable work when they are properly managed. Note the difference of quality between Origins and Two where the only change in the Studio was management loosening the reigns.

Well, WotC doesn't have any single good manager or talented writer there either.

They have Archetype Entertainment which is an internal studio headed by James Ohlen, Chad Robertson, and Drew Karpyshyn.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Tr0w:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Well, WotC doesn't have any single good manager or talented writer there either.

They have Archetype Entertainment which is an internal studio headed by James Ohlen, Chad Robertson, and Drew Karpyshyn.

Oh, great. Exodus is likely to be messed with by Hasbro and WotC. There goes my excitement....