Caradain & the Anvil of the Void

[rompier02]

Hey. I just noticed that the smith said that no golem can touch the anvil. That's why he couldn't destroy it. He asked the Warden's aid to do so. Then when Branka was defeated he proceeded to forge a crown on the same anvil he couldn't touch. The vid shows him hammering the thing on the anvil. The writers of this game didn't notice this or they just messed up?

[Valden21]

Neither. Caridin was using tools to forge the crown. IMO, this was one of those things where the statement is meant to be taken literally. He can't touch the anvil itself, but he CAN use tools, and that's what he was doing. If you watch that cutscene carefully, you can see that he's got a hammer in his right hand, and a pair of tongs in his left hand.

[rompier02]

In the same vid the Warden picked up a hammer to smash the anvil. The golem smith + his golems could have dug the whole structure using tools or something else & pushed the anvil into the molten river of lava. Don't have to touch the anvil at all. They were there for centuries according to his own words.

[Lord Farquad]

Originally posted by rompier02:

In the same vid the Warden picked up a hammer to smash the anvil. The golem smith + his golems could have dug the whole structure using tools or something else & pushed the anvil into the molten river of lava. Don't have to touch the anvil at all. They were there for centuries according to his own words.

The anvil, cannot be harmed by the golems, even with the hammer, thats why they need the warden to do it. The magics on the anvil fully prevents them from destroying it.

[ADEC Inc]

The obvious implication is that golems are programmed to never damage the anvil. Caridin was a genius. If there was a loophole he would have exploited it long ago.

[rompier02]

There is a loop hole. The golem smith do not have to touch it in any way. As stated they could just dug out the whole structure & all the soil mass & just pushed it into the molten lava. Without touching it. The vid clearly states no golem can touch it. No where it states it cannot be destroyed by them. The reason given by the golem smith is that it is untouchable by any golem.

[Lord Farquad]

Originally posted by rompier02:

There is a loop hole. The golem smith do not have to touch it in any way. As stated they could just dug out the whole structure & all the soil mass & just pushed it into the molten lava. Without touching it. The vid clearly states no golem can touch it. No where it states it cannot be destroyed by them. The reason given by the golem smith is that it is untouchable by any golem.

It's just lore stuff man. The golems cannot destroy it, nor touch it. enchantments on the anvil prevent it.

[rompier02]

Golems cannot touch it agree. Cannot destroy it no. Caradin was trying to do that for centuries. No enchantments or magic in the anvil. Caradin himself states this. That is why he needs live subjects or volunteers as he calls them. Dwarves cannot wield magic. Dagna confirms that if it is lore we are talking about.

[Lord Farquad]

Originally posted by rompier02:

Golems cannot touch it agree. Cannot destroy it no. Caradin was trying to do that for centuries. No enchantments or magic in the anvil. Caradin himself states this. That is why he needs live subjects or volunteers as he calls them. Dwarves cannot wield magic. Dagna confirms that if it is lore we are talking about.

Runes, and enchanting contain traces of magic. the anvil, literally has runes on it. Which are preventing them from destroying it.. That, and control shards? golems cannot go against a control shard.

[rompier02]

Well dunno. Didn't exactly saw the whole anvil. Caradin himself states that no magic can create golems. As stated dwarves cannot weave magic. So how could the Paragon use it?From playing this game it seems mages are the creators of runes. Except for the son of the trader at the warden's camp. The boy can place said enchantments on weapons. Don't see any mages or dwarves in Orzammar doing it. Shale went against his control rods. She has free will. Even without the DLC the original battle with Branka have some golems defying her control rod.

[ADEC Inc]

Originally posted by rompier02:

There is a loop hole. The golem smith do not have to touch it in any way. As stated they could just dug out the whole structure & all the soil mass & just pushed it into the molten lava. Without touching it. The vid clearly states no golem can touch it. No where it states it cannot be destroyed by them. The reason given by the golem smith is that it is untouchable by any golem.

As I said, it's obvious they are prevented from causing the anvil harm, or else he would have figured out a way to do it in the centuries he spent there. Not every little detail in a narrative needs to be explicitly stated.

[rompier02]

It was explicitly stated by Caradin. He wants to destroy his creation. That is why he told the Warden its history. How golems came to be. Try to gain sympathy for his own misdeeds. There are some options for the Anvil to be destroyed by him. Without touching it. No magical limitation /compulsion on him & his party to not do so. He told Shale all the control rods were destroyed. He suggested that maybe his apprentices managed to copy but is unsure whether it is true. This after Shale asked him why was she not disabled when Branka oroduced the rod. This game excels in this aspect. The story plots are told in detail.

[ADEC Inc]

You're simply being over-literal and stubborn. There's no plothole here. If other options were possible he never would have waited all that time for someone to find him.

[rompier02]

Originally posted by ADEC Inc:

You're simply being over-literal and stubborn. There's no plothole here. If other options were possible he never would have waited all that time for someone to find him.

Seriously. You making judgements over fact? If you look at the vid the anvil is situated on a ledge. Just dislodge the ledge & down goes the anvil into flowing lava. How hard is that for a 10 foot tall animated stone?

Originally posted by ADEC Inc:

You're simply being over-literal and stubborn.

Yep. When no facts are available or in deniability. Should look in the mirror when typing this. Why are you upset? I am just following in game facts. Not making up narratives unlike some people. Not insulting anyone. It is as it is. Although it didn't surprise me at all.

[Valden21]

OP, like I've stated TWICE before, the in-game cutscene in question clearly shows that Caridin's using tools to forge the crown. Therefore, he never actually touches the avil. This isn't a plothole, just a failure to notice important details. Case closed.

[rompier02]

Originally posted by Valden21:

OP, l Case closed.

Sure. For you. :) As stated could have used same tools to dislodge the anvil into the river of lava. Without touching it. Dismissed