Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition

Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition

Duder Apr 17, 2020 @ 8:59pm
Dragon Age games ranked
I am wondering since I am pretty damn new to the series, what some of the long time fans think from best to worst - if there is even a worst.
I know basically zilch about the other games however I have already bought the second one.
No spoilers please.
Thanks
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Sceles Apr 17, 2020 @ 11:04pm 
DAO is the best RPG of its decade, 2 and inquisition are very mediocre and forgettable games that would likely have mixed/negative reviews if they were on Steam. DAO has an average user score of 8.7/10 on metacritic while DA2 has 4.6/10 and DAI 5.9/10. It's not really even a contest.
AbedsBrother Apr 17, 2020 @ 11:28pm 
Dragon Age Inquisition > Dragon Age 2 > Dragon Age Origins.

A lot of people have nostalgia for Origins, but a lot of its aspects / features haven't aged well.
Duder Apr 18, 2020 @ 12:16am 
Originally posted by Sceles:
DAO is the best RPG of its decade, 2 and inquisition are very mediocre and forgettable games that would likely have mixed/negative reviews if they were on Steam. DAO has an average user score of 8.7/10 on metacritic while DA2 has 4.6/10 and DAI 5.9/10. It's not really even a contest.

I generally don't pay attention to user reviews - just like audience reviews on Rotten Tomatoes

Guess I'll find out if I like them or not when I play them
Sceles Apr 18, 2020 @ 12:41am 
Originally posted by AbedsBrother:
Dragon Age Inquisition > Dragon Age 2 > Dragon Age Origins.

A lot of people have nostalgia for Origins, but a lot of its aspects / features haven't aged well.
I don't agree. DAO plays like a modern game minus graphics. I actually started a new playthrough on DAO because of all the free time I now have on my hands and was surprised by how little it has aged. This is the same gameplay as in Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny, or any modern party based D&D style RPG. The formula is still exactly the same. And the reason for that is simple... it works. With DA2 and Inquisition they tried to redo the formula and shot themselves in the foot.
LukanGamer Apr 18, 2020 @ 2:04am 
DAO is 1 the best games ever made even to this day and mod supported (had a good engine as it was before forced EA garbo).

2 is good for story/character only (tons of reused maps/enemies that magically spawn like raining clones from sky litteraly+suckier dumbed down combat/conversation wheel).

Inquisition is ok overall though has the most useless annoying quests (get 30 of hidden items Every map or fetch this and that or do these 3-4 star chart connect the dot puzzles on Again every map, set up auto map things that can take litteraly hours though they again are Auto and you can do whatever once you click it) and poor quaility grind (grind none get wrecked grind touch to much and sweep many future areas like nothing---> though this is fixed with a option in full edition to make things your level and a few other bonus options). Story and Characters are also lesser then previous 2 games more so if you played them first as should though still better then Many/most games.
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Duder Apr 18, 2020 @ 3:13am 
Originally posted by LukanGamer:
DAO is 1 the best games ever made even to this day and mod supported (had a good engine as it was before forced EA garbo).

2 is good for story/character only (tons of reused maps/enemies that magically spawn like raining clones from sky litteraly+suckier dumbed down combat/conversation wheel.

Inquisition is ok overall though has the most useless annoying quests (get 30 of hidden items Every map or fetch this and that or do these 3-4 star chart connect the dot puzzles on Again every map, set up auto map things that can take litteraly hours though they again are Auto and you can do whatever once you click it) and poor quaility grind (grind none get wrecked grind touch to much and sweep many future areas like nothing---> though this is fixed with a option in full edition to make things your level and a few other bonus options). Story and Characters are also lesser then previous 2 games more so if you played them first as should though still better then Many/most games.

I'm going to have to disagree about it being the best games ever made. I suppose that's all in the eye of the beholder though. To me, game and story are separate entities almost. From the start I've felt the game is essentially just BG/Icewind in a different universe. Without a completely bland story. I loved the BG series and Icewind but I really never cared for the story. For me those games were more about the stats.
AbedsBrother Apr 18, 2020 @ 9:19am 
Originally posted by Sceles:
Originally posted by AbedsBrother:
Dragon Age Inquisition > Dragon Age 2 > Dragon Age Origins.

A lot of people have nostalgia for Origins, but a lot of its aspects / features haven't aged well.
I don't agree. DAO plays like a modern game minus graphics. I actually started a new playthrough on DAO because of all the free time I now have on my hands and was surprised by how little it has aged. This is the same gameplay as in Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny, or any modern party based D&D style RPG. The formula is still exactly the same. And the reason for that is simple... it works. With DA2 and Inquisition they tried to redo the formula and shot themselves in the foot.
Let's leave graphics out of the discussion. No question they look old, but they're good enough imo.

Level design - incredibly linear. DAO offers illusion of a big kingdom to be explored, but it's really a few small hubs (except Orzammar) with linear mission levels. Exploring is limited to finding and talking to unique npcs. Then, the levels are sometimes too long, affecting the pacing of the story. The Mages' Tower (#SkipTheFade mod ftw) and the Deep Roads are two of the most obvious examples.
Here's a darkspawn smith mini-boss - fight - move down a corridor - here are two ogres & a horde - fight - move down a corridor: hey, the walls are covered with weird gooey stuff - fight broodmother (why is it even in the game? padding an already long level) - move down a corridor - hey, it's Branka, mission over, right? nope - fight - move down a corridor - fight - reach Caridin only to have ANOTHER fight - against golems, and if you're not properly spec'd to fight an enemy which you haven't fought before you'll die in seconds. Yay difficulty! Actually, no. It's stupid. Obviously now I know what is coming and am adequately prepared for the golem fight when I get there, but it's not very friendly to new players. Very old game design, ie the way games used to be made but generally aren't anymore.

VA - Everybody talks about what a great character Morrigan is, and Claudia Black does a great job. So does Tim Curry in his brief role (even if you choose the human noble origin, it's still a brief role). Everyone else ranges from bland / inoffensive to outright bad. DA2 is a massive improvement, DAI an even bigger improvement.

Characters - There are a few good ones - that's how DAO gets its reputation. Most ppl go on at length about Morrigan, and she's got a good arc, but Loghain is the most interesting character imo - especially with what the game lets you decide as his fate. The rest fall into common stereotypes / tropes. You've got the foolish king, the lost son of a king, the dishonored warrior, a possessed healer, a spy, an assassin etc. DAO's best character feature is the multiple origin stories, but (obv) that's right at the beginning of the game. (DA2 has the best cast of characters imo.)

Story - Yay we get to be a hero. Just fight these Darkspawn creatures and win glory. Why? Because they're going to take over the world, of course! Why else would we care? Oh btw we need the help of all these other nations / people to do that. So boring. Mass Effect did a better job setting up the Reapers than DAO does with the Darkspawn. Awakening mostly remedies that - It's the best part of DAO imo.

Combat - I get that DAO is like a time capsule of an rpg. Or it would be if it actually worked the way it was supposed to. Setting tactics etc. is great until a fight is lost because the computer skipped a condition I had set. This doesn't just happen once (and DAO is generally in a shoddy state with constant crashes and technical issues). It's like BioWare created an amazing combat system, but never fully quality-tested it to make its use fool-proof. Given that DAO was originally made for PC and ported to consoles, it's just stunning the state it is in. Manual control and constant pausing becomes required, which is fun in its own way, but grows old after a while - right around the time you realize the game is old. While DA2's "keep holding the mouse-button down to attack" is annoying, literally everything else about the combat, skills, and tactics is better - and it actually works 99% of the time.
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LukanGamer Apr 18, 2020 @ 1:19pm 
Originally posted by AbedsBrother:

Just to help people out that bother to read that long winded, incorrect, highly contradictory stuff that at its core is just a opinion on wanting dumbed down, open world, easy game that are to big of a thing these days (though to each their own just wish there was less of it) and not what this is at all and clearly not liking what type this is therefore defeating the entire thing
[Like I hate nascar/standard racing games but would never say every racing game should have violence and drops and colorful characters (be "mario kart") those 2 different things and I can understand people's love for racing I mean taking that left turn and watching left turns is sooo great :D -->joke].
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Level design - incredibly linear:

This rant doesn't even make sense and contradictory and clearly just personal opinion and love of over open world style which has many issues and personal tastes of its own. Heck point out Unique npcs in the rant that is like the #1 best thing in a RolePlaying game something open world games tend to remove.
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Particular Boss why is it even in the game?

BECAUSE it's a huge story part, cool, and a boss :steamfacepalm:
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if you're not properly spec'd to fight an enemy which you haven't fought before you'll die in seconds; ie the way games used to be made but generally aren't anymore.

Wrong its not that hard and worst case you can leave to train up/gear up elsewhere as should be required and often is to point it still a thing in many rpgs and the dated bit would be if it locked you in with no way out forcing game over though a couple survival games + rougelike still do this some even.
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VA/Character+origin only at start+Story :

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hell origin bit alone is so wrong it shows just how little this guy plays/pays attention (Origin is 1 the best features and is brought up throughout the story and even at end many have something) and story has way more then that and includes more then just the "primary Setting story" heck says logain is best bit in his opinion and is ... A huge part of Story not just darkspawn which actually has WAY WAY more lore and everything on then Mass Effect 1 had reapers (You can't say Mass Effect 1-3 reapers as that counting 3 games :steamfacepalm: ) But Mass Effect did epic job also and is also 1 the best games ever and did do a WAY better job as a trilogy (Adrumba doesn't exist).
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Setting tactics etc. is great until a fight is lost because the computer skipped a condition I had set:

This means you did terrible job setting it up or can't think not to mention virtually no games have this feature so its a praise amazing feature.
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in a shoddy state with constant crashes and technical issues:

Other then getting it initially set-up (understandable due to age of game and the whole Bioware/Ea) this is wrong and only some people which is amazing considering how old game is and this can be said about any game some just have issues for some.
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created an amazing combat system, but never made fool-proof:
:steamfacepalm: what..
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it's just stunning the state it is in.

Obviously ment as a "joke" but is actually the #1 and possibly 1 of only true things said, so yes yes it is gj.
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Manual control and constant pausing becomes required, fun in its own way, but grows old after a while.

ummmm its not designed no game is really outside maybe certain MMO Bots to be 100% auto heck you have to control 1/4 and even the only game I can think of Pillars DeadFire without mods and tons of effort+work still often takes manual control or else death/lose is easy and MMO bots have plenty of death/issues of their own.
As for Constant pausing again this just means bad at game or putting it on to hard also a non-issue and why you can pause which is a great thing not bad and opinion on it becomes old and what doesn't become least somewhat old after a while.... I mean VATS (Fallout games) is even more Op(3^) and abusable etc... but still well loved (dispite being around for countless years and quite a few games) and terrific though can become certainly old especially since it basically trains you to mass do it just to detect enemies or see the chance to hit :D
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right around the time you realize the game is old.

:steamfacepalm: if you don't know this before even playing then idk what going on.
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DA2's "keep holding the mouse-button down to attack" is Annoying, literally everything else about the combat, skills, and tactics is better.

Just No.... heck even pointing out its core attack can be annoying :steamfacepalm: and don't get me started on the horrible change of epic cool combos becoming warrior setup bonus damage for rouge which sets up for wizard which sets up for warrior with ugly giant symbol then anything real (not to mention again the magically spawning enemy clones or the fact more so when game first came out enemies blow up more so then having Bloody Mess Perk in Fallouts, though least this was eventually toned down a fair bit will forever remember though slapping people and them exploding ..).
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AbedsBrother Apr 18, 2020 @ 1:42pm 
Originally posted by LukanGamer:
Originally posted by AbedsBrother:

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Uh-oh, I pissed off a fanboy.
Sceles was kind enough to reply without flaming, so I'd thought I'd expand on my previous post and share some more detailed opinions rather than just saying, "Origins is my least favorite DA game hurr durr."

Because that's all it is, opinion. You're not required to agree with me. (Though you seem to think you've discovered some sort of objective standard about what people should like about DAO). Nor do I hate DAO (I don't spend hundreds of hours in or make YouTube playthroughs of games I dislike). It's just my least favorite DA game.

Originally posted by LukanGamer:
This rant doesn't even make sense and contradictory and clearly just personal opinion and love of over open world style which has many issues and personal tastes of its own.
So you do understand that it's personal opinion. Now I'm confused. You describe yourself on your profile as "a decent good guy sort" but that post was anything but. If you're not mature enough to reply without flaming, you're bound for the block list.
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LukanGamer Apr 18, 2020 @ 2:07pm 
Originally posted by AbedsBrother:

Gj keeping up the ignorance (not a insult word btw) try and help you out for future:
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really should least learn not to use word fanboy(shows misguided hate and ignorance on fact both fanboys are not a bad thing and fact it Not reason things are explained its like saying nah ah to a disagreement non stop would be better ---> though still really bad as that is more the lines what a fanboy does)

---> A proper Fanboy hate thing just fyi is when someone says nah ah non stop to anything said and nothing else like people that claim Bethesda is doing a terrific job with Fallout 76 and never done wrong or EA is best company ever and not in sarcastric/joke way and mean it.

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covering swear words(just immature and pointless just don't include swear at all at that point)
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add the word opinion when you meaning it as such (so it accurate to what you "claim" and not litteraly saying it IS as by definition when you saying something IS something that not opinion that a statement on... what something IS which you said over a dozen times)
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not use words like hurr durr(should be obvious)
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reading correctly and calmly, (helps in general)--> fact you had to include the very first thing I said to point out the flaw last shows you don't read well.
also don't understand helping people understand things is a good thing should learn that fact while spreading false info as fact is not.
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saying don't have to agree with me (this far to often said and is obvious not to mention close to saying dog ate my homework back then or maybe more like just a thrown up random weak defense that make politicians weak defenses into masters by comparison although I do think they use that one sometimes least maybe trump -->joke though think true)
Also need to learn to take opinions that are against yours just because someone disagrees with you is not a bad thing like another politician thing could fit here.
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learning fact youtubers actually do make countless hours of content they don't like that is actually often a thing though that you may know and just saying you personally don't in which case it was never brought up that you are one and who cares also a proper youtuber will play just to be able to say they can "properly talk" about something (though funny having a self plugin surprised you didn't add follow me @ __ etc... would have honestly been amusing as I watch far to much youtube and that like almost a meme maybe if you have one include your ending saying)
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Also learn to be less contradictory of course.
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WardenofSilence Apr 18, 2020 @ 2:44pm 
DAO > DAI > DA2

Origins has, what I believe, the strongest mechanics, the tightest story, and the best combat.

Inquisition is very modern in design. It has large maps and solid graphics, and has more action style combat compared to the other two. You might like these elements, but I found the design to be lacking. Side content I consider to be quite weak, and the story I think misses the mark in quite a few places.

DA2 had a very small development period and it shows. It reuses a lot of resources and can be repetitive. The story I don't think is paced well, and it often feels like player actions have low importance. A lot of people like the characters a lot and love the idea of the game focusing on a smaller scale.

I don't want to make the post too long, but I'm happy to delve more into my comments if you are interested.
AbedsBrother Apr 18, 2020 @ 2:55pm 
Originally posted by LukanGamer:
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Now you're trying to tell me how to speak / what language to use? Well, remember this in the future: you have no power over me. Nor is anything I say subject to your approval.

Bye, troll *blocked*
Taiwan Number One Apr 18, 2020 @ 7:47pm 
Dragon Age: Origins is the best IMHO. The main story is a bit cliche but still decent. Companions are well written with good VAs. Interesting world.

Dragon Age 2, while not an awful game, is nowhere near DAO in terms of quality. Plot had potential but ultimately was let down by how contrived it was. Companions are a mixed bag. I liked a couple of them but the rest were 'meh' or horribly written.

I haven't played Dragon Age: Inquisition but did hear it was an average experience.
EA Latium Apr 19, 2020 @ 5:31pm 
They all great, and they all build up very nicely, even though they are separate stories in the same universe.

I love Origins, but like many said it's mainly nostalgia for many users, however it was really ahead of its time and it's still very playable. People forget it got a lot a lot of criticism when it came out, but like most franchises being the first title has a special place in everyone's heart, if you want to experience DA as a whole, or just love RPGs, it's a must.

DA2 is the black sheep of the family, is a fantastic game, but was really rushed and you can tell right away, it's where the franchise officially started being a franchise though, as with Origins devs didn't know what was going to happen in the future.

Inquisition is the latest entry, it improved a lot mechanically and has a deep lore at this point, it got some criticism because is not "Origins 3", but don't let this put you down, has a great story and does extremely well what its predecessors did.

There's another Dragon Age coming, we don't know when (don't watch the trailer, it's very spoilery) but it's coming.

A little head up if you planning to build your own universe throughout the games, for DA2 you can directly import a save, but from DAI onward there's a tool online called the Keep that lets you choose the various choices and outcomes, so after DA2 you can savely change things at your will without having to go through a whole campaign.

The truth is that the 'worst' DA is still an excellent game, enjoy, I'd gladly erase my memory to re-experience them all if I could.
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EA Latium Apr 19, 2020 @ 5:38pm 
Originally posted by AbedsBrother:
Dragon Age Inquisition > Dragon Age 2 > Dragon Age Origins.

A lot of people have nostalgia for Origins, but a lot of its aspects / features haven't aged well.

Unpopular opinion, but one that I agree with. Replaying Inquisition during this quarantine, I literally forgot that it came out 6 years ago, both aesthetically and gameplay wise.
Obviously this is Origin forum, but DAI is the most successful game Bioware ever released, that says something.
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