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That would be wonderful if you could. I've played trespasser, but a lot of the details evade me. So spoilers are okay!. Thanks in advance.
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The chantry beleives in one maker, whereas the elven pantheon is a collection of god representing both good and Evil.
Who are the Ancient Gods or Old Ones that both relgions talk about?
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This really depends on the religion.
Elvish: The elvish pantheon is a collection of powerful mages that came to power before humans were established in Thedas. The pantheon is the collection of "good" gods, while the forgotten one is a number of gods that are said to be evil. Solas (the dread wolf) is one of these beings. He created the fade in order to lock away these beings who were said to be constantly at wat with each other. The creation of the fade and entapment of these beings is what stripped the elves of their immortality.
Humans: The maker created everything including humans and spirits. Some of the first spirits grew jealous of humans and started to visit them in the form of dragons in the fade, teaching them secret and powerful magics. Humans learning of these wonderous powers started to worship these beings as gods. This is what is known as the original sin and is what caused the maker to lock away and imprison the old golds. Though imprioned they were still able to connect to the fade and communicate with humans through it. In this way they continued to influence the Tevinter Imperium and eventually taught them how to breach the golden city.
The tevinter breached the city and found it (or turned it: there's conflicting accounts) corrupt, becoming the first darksapwn. Then after finding the prison of Dumat awoke him, spreading the corruption of the black city and turning him into the first arch demon. This is the pattern we walk into in origins. The darkspawn endlessly searching for the prisons of the old gods and corrupting them the moment they wake them.
It is worth noting the the old ones (evil god of the Elves) and the old gods (dragon gods of the humans) are thought to be seperate beings.
Are they connected?
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They seem to know each other as Flemith/her pantheon passanger uses the dark ritual to save the old gods soul at the end of DA:O. They are two seperate groups of beings however.
How does the Blight fit in?
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Explained in the humans section of a previous question.
What is the well of sorrows and the Eluvians and why are they important?
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The eluvians are a set of mirrors that are magically connected to each other. The anceint elves used magic and keys to interconnect these mirrors using them to travel and communicate across long distances. The well of sorrows was a key to one of these mirriors. They are important because they are an anceint magical travel netwrok that has been lost to the sands of times.
Anyway, some of the things that you're asking about are better explained with fan theories rather than what's actually been confirmed in the lore, but I'll try to stick to canon explanations before delving into my own thoughts and some of the more accepted theories.
How does the Chantry differ from the elven pantheon?
I'm going to give a brief description of both belief systems before exploring how they might be connected.
The Andrastian Chantry is the most prominent religious organization in Thedas. Its influence is seen in most of Thedas' kingdoms, and it's what the bulk of humanity places their faith in. Unlike the elven pantheon, it's a monotheistic religion -- followers believe in the divine authority of the Maker and act according to the teachings of the prophet Andraste. Andraste's teachings serve as the foundation of the Chantry, and they're collected in the Chantry's primary religious text: the Chant of Light. Followers' beliefs are founded on four main principles:
As it stands, Andrastians believe that the Maker has turned His back on them, but He's not so much an absent god as a patient observer. They believe that when the Chant has been spread to all four corners of the world, the Maker will turn back to His creation. The Chantry's interpretation of Andraste's teachings emphasizes death, guilt, and the differences among races and genders. When it comes to elves, they believe that the Dalish worship a false pantheon of idols.
While the fall of Elvhenan and the Dales left behind little to nothing for the modern elves to reclaim, the Dalish still seek to recover and preserve any knowledge or artifacts that they can find throughout their travels. From this, they tried to assemble a vision of how life was in Elvhenan and eventually developed their own separate culture around this fractured/incomplete lore. With Inquisition and Trespasser, we learn that the Dalish are wrong about many things, but I'll go over what they still believe before getting into the truth of the matter.
The Dalish worship "the Creators," a pantheon consisting of five gods and four goddesses. The pantheon is led by Elgar'nan, the God of Vengeance, and the goddess Mythal, the Great Protector. The other four gods are Falon'Din, the Guide/Friend of the Dead; Dirthamen, the Keeper of Secrets; June, the God of the Craft; and Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf and trickster god. The other three goddesses are Andruil, the Goddess of the Hunt; Sylaise, the Hearthkeeper; and Ghilan'nain, the Mother of the Halla. These nine deities are said to be responsible for all of life's gifts. On the other end of the spectrum, there are also references to another race of gods called "The Forgotten Ones." These gods are enemies of the elven pantheon and embody things like terror, malice, spite, and pestilence. The two factions are said to have been locked in an endless war. However, Fen'Harel was able to walk as kin among both factions of gods -- they both regarded him as one of their own. Through this, he tricked them by promising each side a truce to the war and then locking them both away in their respective realms. He sealed the elven pantheon in the "the Beyond" (the Fade) and sealed the Forgotten Ones in "the abyss" (the Void). The Dalish believe that the imprisonment of their gods led to the fall of Elvhenan, so Fen'Harel is regarded with wariness among them. The leaders of the Dalish clans (known as Keepers) are dedicated to preserving their lore and are responsible for protecting their clan from Fen'Harel. The Dalish live by the other deities' values/teachings/codes. (You can read more about their philosophies here[dragonage.wikia.com].)
Who are the Ancient Gods or Old Ones that both relgions talk about?
Prior to the rise of the Chantry, the majority of humans in Thedas (most notably in the Tevinter Imperium) worshipped seven dragon deities known as Old Gods. They started out as spirits. The Chantry teaches that spirits of the Fade are the first children of the Maker, made in His own image. However, the Maker became dissatisfied with them. The spirits were created with the ability to manipulate the Fade and create from it, but they had no desire to. They had no soul, no imagination, and, most importantly, no spark of the divine within them. So, the Maker turned His back on them and created the new realm of Thedas, separating the two worlds with the Veil. The inhabitants of Thedas were created with a soul and the spark of the divine, and they flourished and showed the qualities that the Maker had hoped for. The spirits quickly grew jealous of these new beings, so they whispered to the living through dreams in an attempt to learn more about life and regain the Maker's favor. As the spirits learned more and grew in power, some of them saw the living as inferior beings and began to question the wisdom of the Maker. These powerful spirits claimed that they were the true gods/creators of the world and were ultimately more worthy of worship. The living eventually summoned them through the Veil, and these spirits took the form of dragons in the mortal realm. When some of the humans began worshipping these dragons, the Maker was furious. This act is known as the "Original Sin." The Maker cursed the Old Gods, imprisoned them in underground tombs (condemning them to eternal slumber), turned His back on mankind, and left the Golden City.
In the Maker's absence, worship of the Old Gods gained popularity and spread throughout the realm. Even though the Old Gods were imprisoned, they were still able to contact and communicate with dreamers. In the days of the Tevinter Imperium, the Old Gods are said to have taught the early magisters how to use blood magic. Along with this, they tempted the magisters to physically enter the Golden City to be granted "power and glory beyond all reckoning." So, the seven High Priests of the Old Gods (known as the Magisters Sidereal) performed a spell that allowed them to breach the locked gates of the Golden City and enter it physically. Upon entering the City, the magisters are said to have found the Maker sitting upon the throne of heaven. Their arrival corrupted the city, turning it black, and the Maker cast them out as the first darkspawn. This caused the First Blight.
In Inquisition, Corypheus is revealed to have once been a High Priest from the ancient Imperium. He says that the Golden City was already blackened and corrupted with the Blight when they entered it, and the throne of the Maker was empty. This contradicts what the Chantry teaches, and unfortunately there's no way to know which account is right. It does raise some interesting questions, though. If what Corypheus is saying is true, then was the Golden City always black? Or did something else corrupt it before the seven magisters got there (maybe something related to the ancient elves)? There are a couple of fan theories that try to explain this, but I'm not going to cover them here.
In Dalish lore, not much is known about the Forgotten Ones. Legend suggests that several of them existed, but the names of most of them have been lost to time. As I said before, they hungered for destruction and preside over the worst aspects of existence, serving as figures of fear and dread to the elves. They're similar to the Old Gods in that they've also been imprisoned, but it's still unclear what exactly they are.
It's worth noting that there are also four unique and very powerful demons known as the Forbidden Ones who are said to be older than the Tevinter Imperium. One memory in the Shattered Library (Vir Dirthara) shows that they once held a corporeal form, but they apparently abandoned the elven people during an unknown calamity and gave up their physical forms to become spirits. After this, the Evanuris declared them exiled from Elvhenan. Their history, the role that they supposedly played, and their connection to these two religions is very vague. They may have once been part of the Forgotten Ones, but we can't know for sure. We almost got confirmation with the Seekers of Truth/Band of Three in Kirkwall -- they were tasked with researching any possible connection, but their research was a bit inconclusive since one of them was killed, another was severely wounded, and the last claimed that the knowledge they had gathered must be destroyed.
We learn from Solas (who is Fen'Harel) in Trespasser that the Creators/Evanuris were merely very powerful mages who rose to positions of godhood after a war. ("After the war ended, generals became respected elders, then kings, and finally gods.") I'm leaning towards believing that the Forgotten Ones were also powerful mages who were ideologically opposed to the Evanuris and were therefore on the other side of that war. We know that Elvhenan was a corrupt empire because the Evanuris warred amonst themselves and kept slaves, so it's not too much of a stretch to think that there might have been another powerful, organized faction who resented these Evanuris. Unlike the Evanuris, the Forgotten Ones might have been opposed to the idea of godhood, but they both probably thought that their power gave them the right to rule over the elven people in some way. According to Dalish legend, Andruil goes mad from trying to stalk the Forgotten Ones in the Void, so we know that it's a very dangerous place to the Evanuris. If the Forgotten Ones knew this, it makes sense that they would've taken sanctuary in a place that they couldn't be reached, especially if the war proved too difficult to win. Over time, the Forgotten Ones were twisted by the Void, turning into the cruel and wicked beings that the legends paint them as.
After this war, Fen'Harel/Solas eventually led a rebellion against the Evanuris. (Fen'Harel is more akin to a god of rebellion rather than a god of trickery.) He freed slaves and granted them sanctuary, and in return, many of these slaves joined him in his fight for freedom from these false gods. In Trespasser, Solas claims that Mythal "was the best of them." In some sense, Mythal was the most benelovent Creator, and she seemed to actually care about her people instead of using claims of godhood to force less powerful elves into slavery or worship. Eventually, the other Evanuris murdered Mythal. Solas felt that locking away the Evanuris and Forgotten Ones by creating the Veil was the only solution to saving the elven people from the internal war/civil strife that was present in their civilization. Since Elvhenan was so dependent on magic and the Fade, however, the Veil's creation led to its destruction and the loss of the elves' immortality.
Are they connected?
While both the Old Gods and the Forgotten Ones were imprisoned, there's no known link between the stories of the Old Gods and those of the elven pantheon/Forgotten Ones.
Like with the Magisters Sidereal and the Golden City, there are several fan theories that try to connect the Old Gods and the Forgotten Ones. Some of them are actually really interesting! Again, I won't go very in-depth here, but let me know if you'd like to hear about any of them. A lot of them deal with trying to clear up the ambiguity of the Void. The Forgotten Ones were sealed in the abyss/the Void, but there's no clear answer on where or what it is. It could be a part of the Fade, but it's also worth considering that it might be a physical place (like where the Old Gods were banished/imprisoned). Either way, it's regarded as a place of nothing and is ultimately an undefined location.
There are also a lot of theories that try to relate the life of Andraste with the history of Elvhenan. Andraste led a rebellion against the Tevinter Imperium, and a group of elven slaves joined her to help fight. This group of slaves was led by Shartan (also known as the Liberator). Solas liberated slaves from the Evanuris, and Shartan looks suspiciously similar to Solas. Solas' first tarot card in Inquisition even looks really similar to a stained glass depiction of Shartan. (Their pose is the most notable thing.[fantasiagamer.files.wordpress.com]) Regardless, Shartan's rebellion seems to parallel the slave rebellion that Solas led in the time of Elvhenan, so several fans have tried to link Andraste with Mythal and Shartan with Solas. Since Mythal's spirit exists as a wisp capable of possessing other beings, it's plausible that Mythal could have acted as or influenced Andraste at some point.
As SlackerBoe mentioned in his post, Flemeth/Mythal seemed really interested in the soul of the Old God Urthemiel after the Fifth Blight. At the end of Origins, you can perform a dark ritual that allows the Old God's soul to be saved. In Inquisition, Mythal takes that soul into herself. At the end of Inquisition, Solas kills Flemeth/Mythal and seemingly absorbs her soul (which possibly contained the Old God's soul). There's a lot of potential for some kind of connection between the Evanuris and the Old Gods, even if they're not currently connected through any lore.
How does the Blight fit in?
The Chantry teaches that the Blight was caused by the Second Sin, when the Golden City was turned black and the magisters were cast back down to earth as darkspawn.
In canon, the elven pantheon doesn't seem to have a connection to the Blight. However, if the Forgotten Ones do turn out to be connected to the Old Gods in some way, that'll raise a lot of questions pertaining to the relationship between the ancient elves and the Blight.
What are the Well of Sorrows and the Eluvians, and why are they important?
According to Abelas in the Temple of Mythal, the Well of Sorrows is a reminder of what was lost when Mythal was betrayed and murdered. Near the end of their life, every servant of Mythal passed their knowledge on through the Well of Sorrows. It's important because it contains the collective knowledge of these servants and sheds light on the ancient elves' way of life. The knowledge from the Well revealed that Corypheus' Red Lyrium Dragon was the key to defeating him, and it also revealed that Flemeth is the vessel of Mythal's spirit. Whoever drank from the Well in Inquisition can therefore by controlled by her. This is important for any future Dragon Age installments because Solas currently possesses the soul of Mythal. Therefore, he can potentially control the Inquisitor or Morrigan.
The Eluvians are magical mirrors that the ancient elves used to communicate and travel great distances. Many eluvians have since been destroyed or corrupted by the darkspawn taint, but there's still a functioning network of them scattered across Thedas. By the end of Trespasser, the eluvian network is controlled by Solas, and he's also amassed a network of spies and agents that can make use of these eluvians in order to achieve his goals.
Sorry for the wall of text! I might have gotten carried away in a few parts, but I wanted to be somewhat thorough. If you have any follow-up questions or want to hear about some of those fan theories, let me know.