Opinions on Blood Magic

[Angeluse]

*Minor SPOILERS*

I refused the Demons gift as a mage, because i am personally against blood magic, but Is it really Evil? Since it is kinda.. given to us from demons, What are your opinions on it?

[SwobyJ]

Everything's gonna be kinda confusing until/unless we find out more about the Maker himself, and what spark of the 'divine' rests in him that lets him, you know, manipulate the 'Fade', create the Golden City, create Thedas and place the Veil between it and the Fade, leave all realms of the universe behind, etc.

From all knowledge about him, it would seem that he is beyond all rules that otherwise exist in Dragon Age.

[Angeluse]

*MORE SPOILERS*
Most of that may seem like just Theoretical religious beliefs, UNLESS you've played Legacy, in which the... last boss with a name i can't pronounce, pretty much proves the existence of the maker, or at the very least, His "city"

[SwobyJ]

引用自 Angeluse：

*MORE SPOILERS*
Most of that may seem like just Theoretical religious beliefs, UNLESS you've played Legacy, in which the... last boss with a name i can't pronounce, pretty much proves the existence of the maker, or at the very least, His "city"

Most spiritual/religious beliefs in Dragon Age are 'pretty much' correct, but just lacking an element of crucial context that would tell the whole truth.

Yes, like that Legacy info. Which both agreed with but had more new information that goes against Chantry dogma.

[Angeluse]

Also, I'm calling that since at the end it says the warden and Hawke have both "Disappeared" i'm calling that the maker took them and is like "ay... save the world"

[Razorblade]

引用自 Eleazaros：

It's a source of power - that power was learned from demons, it "tears at the veil" when used - quite evident when you look at the failure of the elder mage at Soldier's Peak.

Being as it's a forbiden type of magic, only those who would seek power beyond the bounds of what is acceptable will generally be practitioners of that art.

This "hunger for power" does tend to open them up more as they risk more exposure to the demons by pushing their limits.

Use of Blood Magic doesn't tear the Veil. The two ways to tear the Veil are the death of many people in a close geographical area, or by purposely tearing it using magic for the purpose of summoning demons, which in itself is not Blood Magic, though Blood Magic could be used to power it, but the spell could he performed by anyone significantly powerful enough in Magic to tear the Veil. The likely-hood of being possessed stems from the fact that most mages seek TE ultimate power through Blood Magic, and so they continually consort with demons, and don't always make the best deals (such as letting the demon enter their, or another's body, thereby allowing the demon to sap their will and take over). So to conclude, Blood Magic itself is not evil, it is a dangerous and harmful source of power, though how one obtains that power, and what they use it for, and the consequences of those actions may be inherently evil. Someone who uses Blood Magic for good reasons (such as the joining, or defeat evil-doers), and only sacrifices their life force, while not entering into deals that could lead to the harm of innocents, their could potentially be a morally good Blood Mage, who only uses his power for good. The Warden can potentially be one of said "good" Blood Mages, as long as the Demon is forced out of Connor through dialogue (Master Coercion required) and is persuaded to give a gift before leaving, so it isn't slaughtered, the Warden could learn Blood Magic, and only use it on the evil, to help the righteous, making him/her a "good" Blood Mage.

[kane]

This comes from the wiki make of it what you will.
It is theorized that the Veil tends to be weaker in places that feature, or have experienced, extensive death or use of magic.[1] It is also revealed that the Veil is thinned in places with Red Lyrium.[2] What is known for sure is the use of blood magic can allow the Veil to be torn so that demons may physically pass through it into the physical world.[3] Areas that can be seen or felt where the Veil is thin are usually referred to as "tears" in the Veil, in keeping with the fabric metaphor. In fact, when the Veil itself tears it makes a sound like ripping cloth.

[SwobyJ]

That basically means that the nature of types of blood magic weakens the Veil more than other magic, due to dealings with demons and more death happening than 'normal' (sacrifices).

The Veil just being the (if Chantry bits are true) Maker-imposed division between what is considered Thedas/physical realm and the Fade/magical realm. The more the Fade takes physical form like Thedas, and the more Thedas takes magical form like the Fade, the more they cross over and weaken the Veil.

[Angeluse]

For one, i have NEVER heard of red lyrium, it sounds really cool. and 2, So down at it's base blood magic doesn't Necessarily lead to Evil demon possession. I assume that it just leads to that mainly because the demons are the ones that taught it to mankind. So i assume that they know all the tricks and they would make the best teachers... but they're demons... so not the best people to really consort with. I wonder if the Spirits of our virtues have any kind of special magic.

[SwobyJ]

Red lyrium is in DA2 and will be in DAI.

And yes, demons teach blood magic because they know that the requirements to do great things with it heavily weakens the Veil, letting more of them in. Most of the mages that turn to blood magic also tend to have (like most people in general) weaker wills, allowing demons to easily turn them into abominations, walking demonic flesh people. Both the mages and the demons take the fast track to what they want with this, despite the price to be paid. (even the darkspawn blood magic with the Wardens has the cost of the Calling, where Wardens have no choice but to enter the Deep Roads and die)

Good catch when it comes to better virtuous spirits! ;) I have little doubt about us learning some of this stuff in Inquisition, as the Dragon Age storylines give us no choice but to explore realms beyond just Thedas (in terms of plot focus; our protagonist him/herself will even be intimately affected by something of the Fade, letting him close.. or possibly open Breaches through the Veil).

[Angeluse]

Spoilers for Morrigans hunt dlc. But some people theorize that Morrigans last gift to the Warden was a cure for the calling, just a thought. And While i also do LOVE the lore and the world they've painted so well. I'm more wanting them to bring back the old style of talking. With tons of choices for each thing, with stats or skills adding extra options.

[Tirigon]

It's the same as with guns: Not the thing itself is evil, but how you use it.

That being said, (again, like guns) blood magic is much more easily used for evil than for good, as it's a tool mainly focused on killing or dominating others.

[Smoke Eater]

引用自 Tirigon：

It's the same as with guns: Not the thing itself is evil, but how you use it.

That being said, (again, like guns) blood magic is much more easily used for evil than for good, as it's a tool mainly focused on killing or dominating others.

or(in the case of both) to prevent domination

[Tirigon]

^
Indeed. I am not saying their use is generally bad. (In fact, I am of the opinion that some people deserve to be shot).
But it is undeniable that weapons, be they of a "fire bullets from a metal stick" or a fictional "conjusr demons and blow up people from within" kind lean themselves to abuse much better than, for example, medicine or its fictional equivalent, healing magic.

[Smoke Eater]

引用自 Tirigon：

^
Indeed. I am not saying their use is generally bad. (In fact, I am of the opinion that some people deserve to be shot).
But it is undeniable that weapons, be they of a "fire bullets from a metal stick" or a fictional "conjusr demons and blow up people from within" kind lean themselves to abuse much better than, for example, medicine or its fictional equivalent, healing magic.

true however the templar mage thing i think there both in the wrong

[Angeluse]

I agree that it is a weapon, But mages have Plenty of other weapons, such as summoning Firestorms and blizzards, and using the effing force! (coolest in my opinion) I just find it kind of.. i guess weak willed is the best word, to resort to blood magic when you have so many other tools at your disposal.