Would Duncan have allowed the Dark Ritual?

[Redman]

Since I'm replaying the game again after a lot of time, some questions have started to materialize in my head.

Would Duncan have allowed for the ritual to take place/allow the Warden to do it if he were alive?

In my opinion, he probably would've stopped it since he seemed very set on 'destroying' the darkspawn no matter the price.

What do you think?

[fauxpas]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Warlock:

3 years and the post has been revived again. I honestly wouldn't put much effort talking sense into fauxpas, he is known to being biased and supporting Dragon Age's status quo, as well as using Chantry talking points for actual facts.

Last time I checked it was she; but nah, what you call "Chantry talking points" is simply acknowledging the lore as it is presented in the game, sorry that you don't like the universe as it was originally written. 🤣


But with that said, apetty made an excellent point with good narrative flow that is also logically consistent with the setting.

[Warlock]

Opprinnelig skrevet av fauxpas:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Warlock:

3 years and the post has been revived again. I honestly wouldn't put much effort talking sense into fauxpas, he is known to being biased and supporting Dragon Age's status quo, as well as using Chantry talking points for actual facts.

Last time I checked it was she; but nah, what you call "Chantry talking points" is simply acknowledging the lore as it is presented in the game, sorry that you don't like the universe as it was originally written. 🤣


But with that said, apetty made an excellent point with good narrative flow that is also logically consistent with the setting.

I'm sorry for mistaking who you are. And that's the only part where you will get it from me.

Do you believe in Great Flood, too, or you draw taking "lore" from the chantry toilet paper, too?

[Warlock]

Anyway, to add to the conversation

- The "truth" preached by Chantry "lore" we learn that has even bare minimum of truth comes from Disciples of Andraste, the guys who decided later to worship the dragon instead of their sorceress disguised for a prophet. The others who actually give away important lore points and actual knowledge are rogue mages, or those unaffiliated with the Chantry like Morrigan, Flemeth, Solas, and the first Inquisitor. The "lore" from official Chantry library we have are propaganda, and them trying to burn anything that doesn't glaze Andraste, the mass murderer who took advantage of Tevinter's weakness after the Blight.

- The Chantry like the medieval church, and today's American evangelists are most certainly biased, and like from historical examples, are seen concealing the truth from the public to keep the masses loyal and to be ripped off to fund the Divine's wealth, and that of her cronies.

Someone with your level of media literacy is better to be quiet sometimes, and keep mind open to learn more 😊

[fauxpas]

Still cherry picking based on your own biases I see; you still defending Anders and his terrorist attack?

[The Dude]

Why don't you two just meet up and hug it out.

[Warlock]

Opprinnelig skrevet av fauxpas:

Still cherry picking based on your own biases I see; you still defending Anders and his terrorist attack?

There's nothing to defend. Violence is the language of the unheard

[fauxpas]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av fauxpas:

Still cherry picking based on your own biases I see; you still defending Anders and his terrorist attack?

There's nothing to defend. Violence is the language of the unheard

If that's the justification you're using than at least be honest and apply it across the board. 🤣

[Valden21]

There's one question here that I haven't seen asked yet, and IMO, it's the most important question concerning this topic. Said question: WOULD the child be a darkspawn? All Morrigan tells us is that it's an Old God's soul in a child's body. But does that automatically translate to "darkspawn"? I'm not sure if it does, given what we know about darkspawn and how they reproduce.

[Warlock]

Opprinnelig skrevet av fauxpas:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Warlock:

There's nothing to defend. Violence is the language of the unheard

If that's the justification you're using than at least be honest and apply it across the board. 🤣

Read it again, if you mistook it for dishonesty.

[Warlock]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Valden21:

There's one question here that I haven't seen asked yet, and IMO, it's the most important question concerning this topic. Said question: WOULD the child be a darkspawn? All Morrigan tells us is that it's an Old God's soul in a child's body. But does that automatically translate to "darkspawn"? I'm not sure if it does, given what we know about darkspawn and how they reproduce.

Inquisition and Witch Hunt answers that question sort of. In the DLC Morrigan talks about the kid and I think it's fair to assume it was born a human, in Inquisition the answer is obvious. But back then in the moment Morrigan makes a proposition the Warden has no idea really, which is a good question to bring up. But if I remember right, Morrigan says the kid will be born with soul of the old god, but be human, not darkspawn, but can at that moment her word be taken for certainty? Depending on character's morality self-preservation in current time might matter more than potential threat of a human being with archdemon's soul, or a Warden can take no chances of someone worse than archdemon be born.

[Deus Ex]

I doubt Duncan would approve of Dark Ritual, he would be very upset about it.
It's prolly why Flemeth didn't save Duncan and saved some fresh meat warden and Alistair.
They'd be easier to manipulate and being young recruits, they have more to live for compared to someone like Duncan or that other dude from near end of campaign.
Even if they survived via Dark Ritual, they are already hearing the song. Meanwhile Hero of Fereldan and Alistair got some odd 30 years ahead of them.

[fauxpas]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av fauxpas:

If that's the justification you're using than at least be honest and apply it across the board. 🤣

Read it again, if you mistook it for dishonesty.

No, the "dishonesty" stems from the fact you only justify violence for groups you agree with.

[fauxpas]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Valden21:

There's one question here that I haven't seen asked yet, and IMO, it's the most important question concerning this topic. Said question: WOULD the child be a darkspawn? All Morrigan tells us is that it's an Old God's soul in a child's body. But does that automatically translate to "darkspawn"? I'm not sure if it does, given what we know about darkspawn and how they reproduce.

It's implied that the ritual was supposed to cleanse the soul from being blighted.

[Warlock]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Deus Ex:

I doubt Duncan would approve of Dark Ritual, he would be very upset about it.
It's prolly why Flemeth didn't save Duncan and saved some fresh meat warden and Alistair.
They'd be easier to manipulate and being young recruits, they have more to live for compared to someone like Duncan or that other dude from near end of campaign.
Even if they survived via Dark Ritual, they are already hearing the song. Meanwhile Hero of Fereldan and Alistair got some odd 30 years ahead of them.

Damn, now I wish Flemeth saved Duncan, too, purely so I could spite him by doing dark ritual anyway.

[Warlock]

Opprinnelig skrevet av fauxpas:

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Read it again, if you mistook it for dishonesty.

No, the "dishonesty" stems from the fact you only justify violence for groups you agree with.

That's not dishonesty, the closest word would be bias, dishonesty is if I lied about the reasons why I choose to side against the Chantry which I did not. And as for being biased all humans beings are, you are no exception, and trying to frame me being "dishonest" for being open about the bias is hypocritical, which is not surprising giving its coming from you.