Loghaine was right (spoilers)

[Still]

The king was a glory-seeking, child-like, literal dictator and likely didn't listen to Loghaine or wouldn't have anyway. He got tons of people killed and Duncan didn't accurately read the situation. Would you follow a childish fool into battle and lose your entire life so he can have an adventure like in the stories? As my character is progressing through the game, I find myself supporting Loghaine the more I think about it--or at the very least understanding why he did what he did. The king was a dipwad and Duncan was a dipwad too--he was one dimensional in his understanding of politics and paid the price for it. Duncan also straight up murdered a dude who wouldn't do the joining ritual because he had a wife and kid.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

I would say that Loghain is like Bhelen from Orzammar. Both claim to love their country/city and both are willing to do what they can or want to save it even if it hurts their family or the countrymen. Difference being is that Loghain is more sincere is serving Ferelden while Bhelen is driven by lust for power, throne and disregard for proto-democracy.

Ultimately, why I bring this up is because even a bad person may have good qualities. Bhelen leads Orzammar to being more open to outside world and maintains good relationship with human kingdoms, church while Harrowmont worsens the relationship and elves learnt hard way what follows when humans aren't happy.

The problem with that is that Loghain's experiences during the occupation and his hatred for Orleis have driven him to always view Orleis as the enemy, no matter what else is going on. A Blight is supposed to be a time when former enemies forget their differences and ally together in the face of a greater mutual threat. Instead chooses to abandon his king because due to a lingering hatred of the Grey Wardens, simply due to the Grey Warden reinforcements being Orlesian.

Loghain wants what he thinks is best for Ferelden, as long as things don't change. What he fails to recognize, and Bhelen has long since realized, is that change is ALWAYS inevitable, as shown by the letters you can find in the "Return to Ostagar" DLC, the letters that indicate relations between Orleis and Ferelden were warming up in multiple ways. Bhelen's trying to control that change so that Orzammar will benefit from it, and Loghain refuses to recognize it until it's too late.

His mistrust of Orlais is justified, the nation is run on schemes, lies and "the Game". Besides Orlais being terrible place, one should never forget atrocities committed by it, putting recent independence war in the past is a mistake especially when the memory of the war is still fresh in people's minds. Loghain lived through it, so did Aemon, Couslands and Howes. Likely, Couslands and the Howes would oppose Orlais altogether. Blight is not a reason to forget all differences between the two kingdoms, especially when Ferelden was still capable on its own before Loghain's betrayal. If the Orlesian involvement was never pushed and instead an alliance with Free Marches or Nevarra was made, it would've been better.

Well, it's a good point about Bhelen. He has some good ideas and that's why I brought him up, problem is I never pick his side due of how he runs the affairs, he already managed to piss off half of Orzammar, many deshir lords refuse to vote for him, others hate him for turning on his own family.

EDIT: Added bit about the Blight argument.