My opinion on Daveth's recruitment

[Shadow]

So Alistair mentions ingame that he doesn't know why Duncan chose Daveth as one of the candidates to become a Grey Warden. Ser Jory was quite obvious, he was a famed reknown Knight from Radcliffe but Daveth was nothing like that in comparison.

If you guys read Duncan's backstory and biography, you will know that Duncan grew up as a young child in poverty and was basically a thief and stole things to survive. Daveth was also a thief too. So it is possible that Duncan saw himself in Daveth which is why he chose him to join the Warden's. This is my assumption, I could be wrong but Duncan was a thief before he became a Grey Warden and Daveth also was a thief at the time of his recruitment. Only difference is Duncan was probably a teen when he was stealing and Daveth seems a lot older in age. Now Duncan stole to survive, I am not sure if Daveth was stealing to survive or just because he liked that sort of life. Another thing I want to mention is that the young Duncan in the past was going to be executed for stealing from a Grey Warden (before he was recruited into the Wardens) and Daveth was also suppose to be executed before Duncan invoked the rite of conscription on him thus sparing his life. Either way my assumption is that Duncan saw himself in Daveth and chose him.

[fauxpas]

Grey Wardens aren't really that picky in recruiting, they are looking for people with the inner strength to survive the Joining Ritual, which given the unusually high death rate in Origins, Duncan wasn't a good judge of.

[Levianne]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Grey Wardens aren't really that picky in recruiting, they are looking for people with the inner strength to survive the Joining Ritual, which given the unusually high death rate in Origins, Duncan wasn't a good judge of.

Well I think no one could say for sure, that a chosen person would survive the Joining. Blaming Duncan as not being a good judge on that regard is foolish. Duncan saw potential in people, he also saw it in Daveth as well as the player. Daveth not being strong enough to survive the Joining was just a thing, that happened. It just happened randomly. It could happen to anyone. Who's to say it wouldn't happen to Jory, who in addition was a covard. If Duncan didn't kill him and actually forced him to join some other way, would you bet towards his survival? I wouldn't, honestly. I'm not even sure if Duncan actually recruited Jory himself. Anyway, Duncan knew very well, what chance of survival there was, regardless of who the recruited people were in their past lives.

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Levianne:

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Grey Wardens aren't really that picky in recruiting, they are looking for people with the inner strength to survive the Joining Ritual, which given the unusually high death rate in Origins, Duncan wasn't a good judge of.

Well I think no one could say for sure, that a chosen person would survive the Joining. Blaming Duncan as not being a good judge on that regard is foolish. Duncan saw potential in people, he also saw it in Daveth as well as the player. Daveth not being strong enough to survive the Joining was just a thing, that happened. It just happened randomly. It could happen to anyone. Who's to say it wouldn't happen to Jory, who in addition was a covard. If Duncan didn't kill him and actually forced him to join some other way, would you bet towards his survival? I wouldn't, honestly. I'm not even sure if Duncan actually recruited Jory himself. Anyway, Duncan knew very well, what chance of survival there was, regardless of who the recruited people were in their past lives.

I don't think Jory would have survived either, and even Allister comments on the high death rate, furthermore we see several Joinings throughout the series and few deaths outside of tge people Duncan recruited.

[Dunde]

The death rate 's down significantly in Awakening

[fauxpas]

Originally posted by Dunde:

The death rate 's down significantly in Awakening

Exactly, if I remember the only death is the girl from the beginning, everyone else lives, Hawk's brother/sister lives ... only one person died during Allister's Joining.

It's just Duncan seeing the upcoming Blight and lowering his standards because he needs recruits that resulted in the Warden's Joining going poorly.

[Rhalius]

I wonder how the story might have been different if Daveth and Jory also survived the joining. Would have meant four grey wardens would still be alive.

I figure Jory would have gone to Redcliff when hearing of Earl Eamon being sick since he was from there I think. Not sure if he'd be able to do much on his own but well he's clearly a good swordsman. Who Duncan just wasted with the stupid secrecy and then murdered instead of just disarming or wounding him.
I guess Jory would mainly serve to win trust faster in Redcliff and rally the people, help them prepare for battle and limit the casualties.

Daveth did show a bit of a noble and brave side in him, I think it was such a waste to kill him off. I'd have loved to see his character develop over time. Then again I really wish Bioware had more regular guys/women as companions instead of everyone having to be super special.

It's probably why I might be one of the few who liked Jacob in Mass Effect 2, he was a more regular guy.

[fauxpas]

Jory had to die because the Joining is blood magic and if the world knew about it the Wardens wouldn't be tolerated and couldn't do what they needed to do, so I understand Duncan killing him, but he shouldn't have been recruited in the first place.

[Booba]

Jory had to die, along with Daveth, because if they didn't, the player character wouldn't seem nearly as special. It would have been nice if Duncan had reasoned with him a bit first, instead of defaulting to villain-ultimatum-murder.

[Redman]

About joining fatality rate. Who knows. Joinings during a blight could be much more fatal than after.