This game is harder than dark souls on Normal difficulty

[Slayrix]

This is ridiculous, I have been stuck on the nigh battle at redcliffe for ove 10 hours now over the span of 3 days. I am using everything at my disposal, which isn't much cause it is like the beginning of the game. I mean what the actual ♥♥♥♥ is this dumb ass game. Would have had it my second try but the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game crashed right as I was about to beat it, I was able to keep almost all the militia men alive during that try and there were like 3 guys left but I haven't been able to do that since and every time they get wiped out almost instantly. And yes I am pausing and using every one of the characters abilities as much as I can. This just simply doesn't seem possible at this point... Considering just deleting the game and giving up at this point cause there is no reason a game should be this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard. This fight is literally harder than all dark souls bosses combines cause none of those boss fights ever took nearly as much time as this is. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous really...

Edit: alright ♥♥♥♥ this, I’m restarting, after looking up more info apparently redcliffe should be done a little bit later in the game, which is dumb because Alistair literally recommends redcliffe first so what the ♥♥♥♥ game... anyways what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ infuriating thing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[fauxpas]

That battle assumes that you took the time to bolster the village and the knights as much as possible and that you are going to lose at least a few NPCs unless you build very specifically for CC.


But yes, if you are under leveled and under geared the battle serves as a wake up call and the story does pull a ♥♥♥♥ move by aiming you towards it first and starting the clock the moment you step foot into it.

[Slayrix]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

That battle assumes that you took the time to bolster the village and the knights as much as possible and that you are going to lose at least a few NPCs unless you build very specifically for CC.


But yes, if you are under leveled and under geared the battle serves as a wake up call and the story does pull a ♥♥♥♥ move by aiming you towards it first and starting the clock the moment you step foot into it.

I did every possible thing to prepare in redcliffe, I bought all elfroots and flasks from the tavern guy and made like 18 health potions. I did the smithy thing and I hired the one guy. And the thing is I want to go back and just go somewhere else cause this is obviously ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but my only save is at the start of the second battle... also why the hell does the game even make you go through the effort of talking to the people and even spending coins on one person to help only to keep him and everything else you worked for preparing for the battle out of fighting. I mean after the first attack why was the only dialogue option available was to say for everything you prepared for to stay up in that one place and not join the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fight? I have never been more infuriated by a game in my life, I am on the verge of breaking something I swear.

[fauxpas]

Unless you've left things out that's about two thirds the available options, and although its frustrating the knights remain on the hill in order to guard against a feared attack from the castle itself (questionable, but not completely out of bounds).


But yeah, I highly recommend keeping more saves, at the very least one at the beginning of each area in future playthroughs. Assuming you aren't done with the game you might be able to salvage the battle by dropping the difficulty so AoE attacks don't damage your party and nuking the zombies (and villagers alike sadly) with AoE spells or other cheesy tactics like having your tank kite them while the rest if the party peppers them with ranged attacks.

[boiling pie]

Both battles are balanced for the means you are supposed to have at that moment. If the game would have allowed to bring the knights along for the second battle, the devs. would have made the battle even harder to balance it out. Your problem is not the missing knights, but that you are underleveled and underequipped.

Personally I do Redcliff after the Circle Tower. I also recommend to bring a mage with the heal-spell and use heal exclusively for your allies. The more stay alive, the easier the battle.
And don't do the oil thing, because your allies will run into the fire and die like the muppets they are.

With more experience, you will realize that this battle is quite doable without losing anyone even on the highest difficulty. Just keep playing!

[Slayrix]

Originally posted by boiling pie:

Both battles are balanced for the means you are supposed to have at that moment. If the game would have allowed to bring the knights along for the second battle, the devs. would have made the battle even harder to balance it out. Your problem is not the missing knights, but that you are underleveled and underequipped.

Personally I do Redcliff after the Circle Tower. I also recommend to bring a mage with the heal-spell and use heal exclusively for your allies. The more stay alive, the easier the battle.
And don't do the oil thing, because your allies will run into the fire and die like the muppets they are.

With more experience, you will realize that this battle is quite doable without losing anyone even on the highest difficulty. Just keep playing!

Alright, yeah, I started a new game and was gonna do the wizard place first this time

[briarroot]

My recommendation is to the DLC missions after Lothering before going to Redcliffe. Start with "Sulcher's Pass" which leads you to Honnleath. Completing this short mission will give you some great gear (Helm of Honnleath & Harvest Ring) along with a new companion, Shale - a golem with an 'interesting' set of talents.

Then do Soldier's Peak followed by Return to Ostagar. Neither are too difficult if you plan your tactics correctly, i.e: don't get involved in combat with large groups of enemies. Pull a few at a time to your party. Doing these 3 DLCs will net you some great gear upgrades and a lot more XP.

Redcliffe is a huge melee battle in which you'll probably need to pause frequently to issue orders to individual party members. You'll have to manage things carefully. Also make sure the top tactics slot for each companion reads something like ...
Self: Health < 25% -> Use Health Potion: Most Powerful

It isn't really necessary to save the Mayor - except for role playing purposes.

I usually do the Circle Tower as well before I head to Redcliffe, but that can be a bit too difficult for first-time players.

[New Moon On Monday]

I think whichever of the main quest-lines you choose to try first, you are going to find the low levels challenging. Maybe about 10 to 12 level things start getting easier, because you've had the chance to select some talents/spells for your companions.

Every time I have played, Allistair has goaded me into going to Redcliffe first.

Even at low level on normal difficultly, the massive undead battle in the village was not a problem on Normal difficultly (I never did well enough to get the no-casualty achievement, but I never lost the battle).

It helps to make sure you have good Tactics set, because the battle is a lot of chaos, and the less you have to micromanage the better. At that point, you should have your choice of 5 companions, so you might try different combinations.

I think Allistair is must-have for this battle, because he is the most survivable at that point, and he can keep spamming Taunt to take the heat from your other party members and militia allies. Ideally he could have Threaten, Taunt, and Shield Defense at this point- you may not have been able to level him enough yet. Leliana is a good choice, because if you just give her a good position from which to fire arrows she will stay out of harm's way without micro-management.

Dog might be a good third choice as long as you have some Mabari Crunch for him. Otherwise Sten, who can do the damage but won't be well-armored (because all of your top-notch best armor is on Allistair.) I don't know that Morrigan has the firepower for a protracted battle like this; you probably haven't been able to give her Heal; maybe the shapeshift ability is helpful but I never tried it and I'm skeptical.

Make Allistair as sturdy as possible and try to funnel all the hostility to him. Do not let anyone use an activated ability via Tactics in these battles, with the exception of Taunt if Allistair has it. The Stamina has to last, so any companion using an activated ability is by your decision only. Don't let Sten use Threaten; let Allistair use Threaten if he has it. Do pick one character as up your target setter (Allistair or Main), have everyone else set targets based on that character via Tactics; though its still better to pause and choose everyone's targets immediately after each enemy death.

Manage the Threat. Use simple Tactics. Don't let your companions freelance. The Redcliffe marathon battles are entirely winnable at low level at Normal. (Now the next step after that- Redcliffe Castle- that gets rough.)

It's fine to go with another questline first. Circle Tower is not going to be easy. But Wynne is a great companion to pick up as early as possible, and the rewards from The Fade are a nice boost for a low-level character in particular.

[LukanGamer]

No idea on your issue since you said normal... should be possible to still beat with heavy losses.

(Following Alistar's suggestion is also funny given fact he says he not great leader and just giving his opinion)--> the Darkspawn chronicles dlc basically confirms that he bad at it. (You play a what if Alistar was only warden and play as the darkspawn final battle).

I played this countless times and never really had a huge issue though ya if you do it first, it will be near impossible to keep everyone alive as it should be. (Letting Fatty die is actually "good" thing :p a pain to keep his fat dumb butt alive any ways)--> the only character that ever dies for me except the couple the times I tried hard and saved him or the one time someone else did die (I think militia leader).

Personally I often earliest do it after getting Wynee + Shale since companions are most important to me and don't want to miss out ever on their banters ... or after them + ashes to get that bit out of way since game clearly wants you to do that quest that is tied to it far more then Alistair's throw out suggestion.

[fauxpas]

Alistair didn't really do that bad in the what if scenario and the only reason he doesn't end the Blight is because your Hurluk has 'PC' stamped on its forehead, heck, I personally would rather fight the Havester on hard again than the Darkspawn Chronicles on normal.

Bit yeah, something isn't quite right with the OP's story and I suspect it's either a build, companion, or under leveled issue.

[Slayrix]

Originally posted by fauxpas:

Alistair didn't really do that bad in the what if scenario and the only reason he doesn't end the Blight is because your Hurluk has 'PC' stamped on its forehead, heck, I personally would rather fight the Havester on hard again than the Darkspawn Chronicles on normal.

Bit yeah, something isn't quite right with the OP's story and I suspect it's either a build, companion, or under leveled issue.

It almost had to of been under leveled/under equipped, it was near impossible and it was the first place I went to, because the game thinks it a great idea to suggest going to that place first for some reason...

[briarroot]

Originally posted by Slayrix:

It almost had to of been under leveled/under equipped, it was near impossible and it was the first place I went to, because the game thinks it a great idea to suggest going to that place first for some reason...

Try playing on Easy level for a while until you get thoroughly acquainted with the combat system. On Easy level you won't need to pause so often to issue orders to your companions and thus you'll have more opportunity to gain some experience with options on the Tactics screen. Setting up sound Tactics will save you a lot of head-aches in hectic battles like that which takes place in the town square in Redcliffe.

[Slayrix]

Originally posted by briarroot:

Originally posted by Slayrix:

It almost had to of been under leveled/under equipped, it was near impossible and it was the first place I went to, because the game thinks it a great idea to suggest going to that place first for some reason...

Try playing on Easy level for a while until you get thoroughly acquainted with the combat system. On Easy level you won't need to pause so often to issue orders to your companions and thus you'll have more opportunity to gain some experience with options on the Tactics screen. Setting up sound Tactics will save you a lot of head-aches in hectic battles like that which takes place in the town square in Redcliffe.

I’ve restarted and am not at redcliffe anymore, I’m now at the magi tower and I feel I’ve gotten pretty far

[Ferreus the Umbral Arrow]

Originally posted by Slayrix:

This is ridiculous, I have been stuck on the nigh battle at redcliffe for ove 10 hours now over the span of 3 days. I am using everything at my disposal, which isn't much cause it is like the beginning of the game. I mean what the actual ♥♥♥♥ is this dumb ass game. Would have had it my second try but the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game crashed right as I was about to beat it, I was able to keep almost all the militia men alive during that try and there were like 3 guys left but I haven't been able to do that since and every time they get wiped out almost instantly. And yes I am pausing and using every one of the characters abilities as much as I can. This just simply doesn't seem possible at this point... Considering just deleting the game and giving up at this point cause there is no reason a game should be this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard. This fight is literally harder than all dark souls bosses combines cause none of those boss fights ever took nearly as much time as this is. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous really...

Edit: alright ♥♥♥♥ this, I’m restarting, after looking up more info apparently redcliffe should be done a little bit later in the game, which is dumb because Alistair literally recommends redcliffe first so what the ♥♥♥♥ game... anyways what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ infuriating thing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

....maybe not do redcliffe first then? dumbass

[Slayrix]

Originally posted by Ferreus Blackarrow:

Originally posted by Slayrix:

This is ridiculous, I have been stuck on the nigh battle at redcliffe for ove 10 hours now over the span of 3 days. I am using everything at my disposal, which isn't much cause it is like the beginning of the game. I mean what the actual ♥♥♥♥ is this dumb ass game. Would have had it my second try but the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game crashed right as I was about to beat it, I was able to keep almost all the militia men alive during that try and there were like 3 guys left but I haven't been able to do that since and every time they get wiped out almost instantly. And yes I am pausing and using every one of the characters abilities as much as I can. This just simply doesn't seem possible at this point... Considering just deleting the game and giving up at this point cause there is no reason a game should be this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard. This fight is literally harder than all dark souls bosses combines cause none of those boss fights ever took nearly as much time as this is. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous really...

Edit: alright ♥♥♥♥ this, I’m restarting, after looking up more info apparently redcliffe should be done a little bit later in the game, which is dumb because Alistair literally recommends redcliffe first so what the ♥♥♥♥ game... anyways what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ infuriating thing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

....maybe not do redcliffe first then? dumbass

Oh, you're one of those guys...

[fauxpas]

Well to be fair, in your frustration you did come off as a dumb ass in your original post. 😇