Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition

Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition

Ancient Lich Aug 23, 2021 @ 4:52pm
Morrigan is an awful person
Her childhood isn't even that bad to justify her behavior but seems like the game just wants us to like her.
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AC Denton Aug 23, 2021 @ 4:56pm 
Would be really boring if every character was super friendly, nice and likeable.
Ancient Lich Aug 23, 2021 @ 5:49pm 
Originally posted by AC Denton:
Would be really boring if every character was super friendly, nice and likeable.

true, but that doesn't make me like her any better.
BellisimusX Aug 23, 2021 @ 6:24pm 
Hey, I was just thinking about my appraisal of Morrigan as a character while playing thru DAO again for the umpteenth time. I played it first about 10 years ago. just for context.

I was a 20 something when I first played and, oh boy, did I hate her a lot. I thought she was a mean, cruel and extremely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ person. I still did all her quests and got her approval because of some compulsion to please NPC companions. But I didn't like her at all. 10 years hence I actually think she is someone I would be great friends with. Heck I even see a lot of myself in her.

I think the reason is quite simple for me, at least (can't speak for anyone else). I think Morrigan is the kind of person who sincerely believes that people are all out there for themselves which, ironically, is a lesson the Warden teaches Alistair after speaking to his sister if they choose to harden him. She is pragmatic and she sides with characters that can be considered as belonging to marginalized groups (mages, non-andrastians, etc.) in the context of Ferelden. I think that is very admirable. Knowing that she has to protect herself from Templars who hunt apostates, to anyone who would like to take advantage of her, it makes a lot of sense for her to be as depicted. Things in my personal life have also led me to think along the same lines. She is skeptical of people until they can prove that they deserve her trust - which is a very fair stance to take. The only disappointment is perhaps something that happens after the landsmeet. But I think I can forgive her for it, especially considering that she saves the Warden's life.

She is a very good (well written) character, imo.
Ancient Lich Aug 23, 2021 @ 9:51pm 
I understand her philosophy in life but she can afford to be a little bit polite tho
20000Aggro Aug 23, 2021 @ 10:47pm 
Originally posted by BellisimusX:
Hey, I was just thinking about my appraisal of Morrigan as a character while playing thru DAO again for the umpteenth time. I played it first about 10 years ago. just for context.

I was a 20 something when I first played and, oh boy, did I hate her a lot. I thought she was a mean, cruel and extremely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ person. I still did all her quests and got her approval because of some compulsion to please NPC companions. But I didn't like her at all. 10 years hence I actually think she is someone I would be great friends with. Heck I even see a lot of myself in her.

I think the reason is quite simple for me, at least (can't speak for anyone else). I think Morrigan is the kind of person who sincerely believes that people are all out there for themselves which, ironically, is a lesson the Warden teaches Alistair after speaking to his sister if they choose to harden him. She is pragmatic and she sides with characters that can be considered as belonging to marginalized groups (mages, non-andrastians, etc.) in the context of Ferelden. I think that is very admirable. Knowing that she has to protect herself from Templars who hunt apostates, to anyone who would like to take advantage of her, it makes a lot of sense for her to be as depicted. Things in my personal life have also led me to think along the same lines. She is skeptical of people until they can prove that they deserve her trust - which is a very fair stance to take. The only disappointment is perhaps something that happens after the landsmeet. But I think I can forgive her for it, especially considering that she saves the Warden's life.

She is a very good (well written) character, imo.

I agree that she's a well-written character, and she's definitely not boring, but she is not in any way tolerant of marginalised peoples. She is tolerant of apostates like herself because she is one, but she tends to look down her nose at other mages who choose to allow themselves to be trapped in the Circle Towers. In fact, she was in support of the Templar's Right of Annulment directly in front of Wynne and other mages who were still alive, all because she sees them as, her words, "cattle".

She also doesn't just protect herself from Templars, she is highly manipulative and treats them like toys and sees no issue with killing them. If she were a real person it would be pretty creepy.

Also in regards to her romance, she is completely lacking in any real compassion. She even views love as a useless trait to have and looks down on the Warden if you try to argue with Morrigan that love is worthwhile. She manipulates the Warden into giving her Flemeth's book (assuming you didn't bypass that dialogue entirely) and then asks you to kill her own mother.

She also is constantly mean to Alistair for pretty much no reason other than she thinks he's stupid for.... for what? For being a dopey templar, that's what. The pettiest of reasons if ever you could have found any.

Also, @OP, if you don't like the responses you get, don't make the thread. The burden is on you.
Ancient Lich Aug 24, 2021 @ 6:27am 
Originally posted by OwlUwU:

Also, @OP, if you don't like the responses you get, don't make the thread. The burden is on you.

I know that. I welcome all kinds of opinions. What brought that on all of a sudden?
Originally posted by Xiao Xiao:
I understand her philosophy in life but she can afford to be a little bit polite tho

She wasn't raised as a part of society, so she's never learned how to be social. Momma never taught her any matters.

Unlike Oghren, for example, who knows how to behave himself but just chooses not to.

I don't like Morrigan either, but I think the idea is that she is an "evil" companion suited for an "evil" playthrough. I've never been one to enjoy the "evil" paths in these kinds of games.
Ancient Lich Aug 24, 2021 @ 7:37am 
Originally posted by New Moon On Monday:
Originally posted by Xiao Xiao:
I understand her philosophy in life but she can afford to be a little bit polite tho

She wasn't raised as a part of society, so she's never learned how to be social. Momma never taught her any matters.

Unlike Oghren, for example, who knows how to behave himself but just chooses not to.

I don't like Morrigan either, but I think the idea is that she is an "evil" companion suited for an "evil" playthrough. I've never been one to enjoy the "evil" paths in these kinds of games.

Yeah, she prolly got that tongue from her mother.
BellisimusX Aug 24, 2021 @ 12:43pm 
Originally posted by OwlUwU:
I agree that she's a well-written character, and she's definitely not boring, but she is not in any way tolerant of marginalised peoples. She is tolerant of apostates like herself because she is one, but she tends to look down her nose at other mages who choose to allow themselves to be trapped in the Circle Towers. In fact, she was in support of the Templar's Right of Annulment directly in front of Wynne and other mages who were still alive, all because she sees them as, her words, "cattle".
Morrigan is a marginalized person herself in many ways. She is a mage, she is an apostate and she is often considered part of the chasind tribes. She feels sympathy for Jowan when you talk to him Arl Eamon's basement. She comments on how lamentable it would be to leave Sten in the cage. She definitely feels compassion for the marginalized.

I also think her outlook towards the circle mages is hostile because she considers them complicit in allowing the subjugation of mages in the first place and I would say, she's right. The formation of the circle and how it has functioned could not have been achieved if not for the loyalist + equitarian support for the chantry's vision of social order.

The L+E factions supported the imposition of templar rule on those who did not want it or support it (apostates, isolationists, etc.). If anything they would seem traitors only baulking at the prospect of the annulment because it would happen to them and not say to some other mages in a distant circle.

The other thing is that Morrigan does not want to compromise her freedoms for someone else's religious views which is basically what the circle and templar order is there to enforce.

She also doesn't just protect herself from Templars, she is highly manipulative and treats them like toys and sees no issue with killing them. If she were a real person it would be pretty creepy.
I'm not sure what you're picturing. I definitely didn't get the impression that she went in search of templars to kill them. On the contrary, templars often went into the wilds to search for apostates to put into the circle and Flemeth + Morrigan killed them in retaliation. Is the reaction extreme? Sure, if I look at it from the perspective of the real world. But we're talking about a medieval society where death is not as uncommon. esp for the soldier types.

Also in regards to her romance, she is completely lacking in any real compassion. She even views love as a useless trait to have and looks down on the Warden if you try to argue with Morrigan that love is worthwhile. She manipulates the Warden into giving her Flemeth's book (assuming you didn't bypass that dialogue entirely) and then asks you to kill her own mother.
I always play Fem Warden so I can't say anything about the romance part.

About wanting Flemeth killed, it's totally reasonable in a kill or be killed scenario which has pretty much been Morrigan's whole life growing up.

She also is constantly mean to Alistair for pretty much no reason other than she thinks he's stupid for.... for what? For being a dopey templar, that's what. The pettiest of reasons if ever you could have found any.
I loved Alistair's character when I first played the game and often romanced him, but over the years I find his character to be a complete tool. He's sweet and occasionally funny but beyond that he is pretty much a man who would follow another without much thinking through. There is only one time he uses his own brain for something and that is to dump the warden if he was romancing her.

I also understand Morrigan's hostility. She is similarly hostile to Zevran, asking him repeatedly about when he's gonna finish the job he was contracted for in the first place. The flaw in her character is her deep seated suspicion of others but I suppose that's fair considering her upbringing - outsiders are trouble. In case of Alistair the suspicion is definitely warranted. He was trained and taught by the religious order that mages are bad and that apostates are the worst possible kind to encounter. If Alistair was to kill her, say while she slept or something, no one would find him in the wrong (except maybe the warden if they become friends with her). He might even be lauded for having slain an evil apostate.

Agree to disagree though, of course.
Ancient Lich Aug 24, 2021 @ 2:32pm 
damn, so she's rude because she has all the reasons to hate the team, Alistair, Wynne and Zev just to name a few. I should have just let the damn woman go, removed her from the team.

..she doesn't even like the dog.

As for Alistair, I agree about him being a complete tool. I found that annoying about him, but I'm glad I was able to "harden" him, and looks like he got himself together enough to take the responsibility of kingship. His is a coming-of-age story. He's was just 20 in the game after all. Best character development arc 10/10
Last edited by Ancient Lich; Aug 24, 2021 @ 2:39pm
Warlord4Hikage Aug 25, 2021 @ 4:46am 
Originally posted by Xiao Xiao:
Her childhood isn't even that bad to justify her behavior but seems like the game just wants us to like her.

Whatever you say, kiddo :emofdr:
Originally posted by Xiao Xiao:
damn, so she's rude because she has all the reasons to hate the team, Alistair, Wynne and Zev just to name a few. I should have just let the damn woman go, removed her from the team.

..she doesn't even like the dog.

If you keep Morrigan and Dog together in the party long enough, she does have begrudgingly soft moments toward Dog.
Ancient Lich Aug 25, 2021 @ 7:47am 
Originally posted by New Moon On Monday:
Originally posted by Xiao Xiao:
damn, so she's rude because she has all the reasons to hate the team, Alistair, Wynne and Zev just to name a few. I should have just let the damn woman go, removed her from the team.

..she doesn't even like the dog.

If you keep Morrigan and Dog together in the party long enough, she does have begrudgingly soft moments toward Dog.
yeah it's a bit funny
Ancient Lich Aug 25, 2021 @ 7:47am 
Originally posted by Lord Ainz:
Originally posted by Xiao Xiao:
Her childhood isn't even that bad to justify her behavior but seems like the game just wants us to like her.

Whatever you say, kiddo :emofdr:
ok boomer
Warlord4Hikage Aug 25, 2021 @ 7:51am 
Originally posted by Xiao Xiao:
Originally posted by Lord Ainz:

Whatever you say, kiddo :emofdr:
ok boomer

Ok, zoomer :emofdr:
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