More PP weirdness

[Leper Messiah]

PP is so wrong, I have a Tesi Naked with a PP of 498 and a Brutal 800 Dragster with a PP of 492. So in PP terms the Tesi is stronger, yet in EVERY single stat the Brutale is better, WAY better in 3 of the 4 stats. Just what the hell?!!

[IMG]http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww244/LeperMessiah71/tesi%20naked_zpsuewlkvod.jpg[/img]

[IMG]http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww244/LeperMessiah71/brutale%20800%20dragster_zps8yjsrlvm.jpg[/img]

oh fer gawds sake just how the hell do you embed pics properly in steam....jeez

[Flavio93Zena]

Reported this as well, I used this, which is probably even worse than your example: http://giphy.com/gifs/DCjlm1qtmtNqo
:P

Btw, nice try, but Steam is nowhere as advanced, it ONLY embeds pics that are on Steam with filedetails= links (direct links don't work) :/ (Blame Valve)

Example:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=540704241
(and it's steamcommunity. com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=540704241)

Whereas the direct link to the same image will work but won't embed:
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/576818217912881667/3EB5DFEB8A477D997B83F496EC663FF779B5F555/

[Leper Messiah]

Blimey that Tesi Naked is just awful!!! Glad you reported it!
Thanks for the info on pics!

BTW props for your NW200 weekly challenge on the kwaka time! I managed a 4:37 and can't imagine chopping 10 seconds off that!

[Flavio93Zena]

Think that I messed up twice on that one, lol. Can probably tone down at least 1/2 seconds Couldn't be bothered to do it, the leaderboards will get full of cheaters anyway, and the usual TUGRA KHAN b!tch will get 1st, and try hard to make it look like it will be a real time as well.

[Leper Messiah]

It's easy to spot the times that are way off though. :)

[pez2k]

For reference, all of the menu stats including horsepower, weight and PP are just arbitrary numbers with no relation to the actual physics. For example, the Bimota DB8 and DB8 Oronero use identical physics, but the Oronero is listed in the menus at a much higher PP with more power and less weight.

The only way to really determine if the PP for a bike is wrong is to record laptimes versus other bikes that have been given a similar PP, and see if the stats or the PP or both are wrong.

The PP numbers have no calculations behind them at all, which is most easily spotted by the fact that many upgrades are coded to give the same fixed PP boost - on the DB8 Italia you can fit an exhaust which removes a few KG of weight and adds '16' HP, and it's the same PP boost from 642 to 654 as an air filter that only adds a few HP.

[Flavio93Zena]

They definitely do have calculations but they are unbalanced.
The Oronero was reported as well for being... Dumb asf. Completely useless.
Whereas the DB8 Italia is op in 780PP... Do you know the NotLikeThis image from Twitch? That's my face if I think about it

[pez2k]

There genuinely are no PP calculations - there's a file that contains all of the menu stats for each bike and the PP is one of them. Milestone potentially did some sort of calculation themselves to work out the PP initially during development, but in the game it's just a hardcoded number. When you add level 1 upgrades it adds a particular number, when you add level 2 upgrades it adds a slightly higher number.

Compare a DB8 with an exhaust upgrade to one with an air filter upgrade, and despite having the same PP the bike with the exhaust upgrade will be faster, because the PP has no relation to the actual performance of the bike.

I suspect this is partly why the DB8 is so good when upgraded - the exhaust adds the same hardcoded amount of PP as every other bike, but adds more power relative to the stock power level. Other bikes that only gain a couple of horsepower will be relatively underpowered in class.

It's also partly why the FS450 is so good in Supermoto - it and the KTM that shares its engine already have more power than the other bikes, but the FS450 also has very good exhaust upgrades that take it to around 96hp fully upgraded which nothing else can match.

[YamamaR1]

And also when I finished invitation race 7, you choose between 14 r1 vs 15 cbr1000rr, in every other way cbr has more performance points, while r1 has more pp. So I'm stuck choose which one. I guess pp doesn't matter much, for performance cbr accelerate faster ,branding, top speed and handling are all better, so I chose cbr, because it just simply has more performance points