Problem! Rome barbarian invasions

[Yorginvik]

Look, i am not saying i am complainging about the AI or the units, even though this is a old game... but i am COMPLAINGING.
So i was playing my barabarian invasion with my saxons ( 1400 about men ) vs the celtics ( about 650 men ) and it took me 75% of my army to take out their warlords and cavalry (they had 3 i think ) once i took them out i also took their king, and i had about 300 infantry vs 12 cavalry and about 40 infantry, and just be they just used their battlecry i think it caused my whole army of infantry 300 vs about 100 route.
Is it unfair or am i just too noobie?

[malek]

It all depends on how tired and how "happy" your men were. Also, was your General still alive or what? And was he around them?

[B1UEDR9GON]

A good strategy lure them with your cavalry to your troops so that when the enemy arrives your troops are fresh and the enemy is totally worn out and very tired, that makes a huge difference

[Mormacil]

There tons of things that matter, pikes and spears slaugther cavalry, where cavalry kills light infantry and archers. Keep your archers save and shoot them to bits, then when you're out of ammo move in with spears.
Also keep your general close but alive, keeping him close calms the men.

[Yorginvik]

Originally posted by Ned Stark - #SwagMaster Of North:

It all depends on how tired and how "happy" your men were. Also, was your General still alive or what? And was he around them?

Ye he was around, i think it was partially because he wasn't part of the main battle and behind it. but in a second battle i attacked with my general and i still had my butt kicked (also the game was in hard battle mod and hard game mode)

[Yorginvik]

Originally posted by FRiTZΛK:

A good strategy lure them with your cavalry to your troops so that when the enemy arrives your troops are fresh and the enemy is totally worn out and very tired, that makes a huge difference

Yea i do lure them and have them fight my spear men ( saxons ) but they always do little damage/route (even with shield wall )

[Dutchgamer1982]

Some temples give extra morale.
Some generals (trains & ancelary) also give the entire army more morale.
Some units by nature come with more moral (less/more likely to rout)
the more fitness a unit has (eager/rested, instead of tired) the more morale it has.
Having the general near in the fight.
Having the enemy general killed or routing
Being at winning hand.

-> more morale = less change to rout.

what lowers morale :

*large SUDDEN losses. (in percentages) so if a unit has 100 man, and a big missile drops on it killing 10 man in one hit, it may be able to stand that (only 10% dead) but if to many of those hits hit in a short while, or if the unit was only 30 man big, those 10 man may matter harder.
*damage per minute. (I'm not certain what the time period for this is, but a unit may be able to suffer 90% losses slowly over 30 min without problems, but if it suffers 90% losses in only 5 minutes (regardless how many enemies they take with them)
*shock damage (certain units have a special shock attack, that gives a temperal but high negative morale boost to the unit they are attacking)
*shock fight : certain types of units FEAR other types of units, think rock-skizzor-stone, if they are fighting an unfavorable oponent, that will lower their morale.
*having your own general killed or routing.
*being at the losing hand

=> it seems that units that have more positive morale factors than negative will not rout.

[Dutchgamer1982]

And as you said : they used battlecry.

your units suffered 75% losses (lowering their morale)
they were tired (from a long fight)

that battlecry has a STABLE effect. (it gives that negative morale spike regardless of that units size).

so it is quite possible that given the diminished morale of your units (even when boosted by having the upper hand and killing that general) was just enough of pushing them over the edge.

fighting on morale, rather than on pure strenght, is a complex but very plausible battle strategy.

[CTI]

Gen in Rome 1 is op especially Kings and heirs.

[Yorginvik]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

And as you said : they used battlecry.

your units suffered 75% losses (lowering their morale)
they were tired (from a long fight)

that battlecry has a STABLE effect. (it gives that negative morale spike regardless of that units size).

so it is quite possible that given the diminished morale of your units (even when boosted by having the upper hand and killing that general) was just enough of pushing them over the edge.

fighting on morale, rather than on pure strenght, is a complex but very plausible battle strategy.

Thanks a lot!

[MiPu]

if you want fair play, play on normal difficulty, all others means AI have e.g. 4x better armor, damage and so.... (AI 500 men will beat your 1000 :D)

I didn't play expansion but in original game - normal quite easy as Romans so campaign for Carthago, Gauls,... is challenge, so if normal looks too easy for you, might try other nations then

[Eat3n]

I hate Barbarian Invasions, i never could figure that game out, it's the only TW game/expansion (since i started playing them) that i never beat. The Hordes were nice but as soon as you take a city your army disappears. I found that no matter what i did there was NEVER enough money and i either ran out or could only build one building at a time. The only strategy i found that worked was to take the Saxons or the Franks and invade England.

[CTI]

Veryhard insn`t so hard, the enemy is better like a warband can take out about 3 hastatis. Not so nice, but it´s still easy the AI is a joke. And if you still have problem just start abusing the generals, heirs and the king. Or faction leader if it´s Rome, but in large he has about 50-60 bodyguards, it increases as you get traits in the 3 trait trrees. Don`t knwo witch of them but just win battles witeh him and he will increase in bodyguard size. Bodyguards are so OP in this game it`s crazy.

[pieisgood2]

Originally posted by Hugh Jassman:

I hate Barbarian Invasions, i never could figure that game out, it's the only TW game/expansion (since i started playing them) that i never beat. The Hordes were nice but as soon as you take a city your army disappears. I found that no matter what i did there was NEVER enough money and i either ran out or could only build one building at a time. The only strategy i found that worked was to take the Saxons or the Franks and invade England.

i would play as the huns a lot. what i would do is just go town to town and sack every single one, on my way to rome. then i would settle in rome and expand my empire from there.