Harbinger Advice

[dpdp1242]

Level 49 Harbinger... need advice

Here are my stats (can't seem to attach my screenshot)
- Health 3444, Energy 524
- Strength 670, Intelligence 122, Dexterity 288
- Combined Armor 583
- Resistance -1 / -8 / -8 / -40 / -15 /3 /-25 0 (in EPIC)
- Offense: AVG DMG 802, ATK SPEED 157%, DPS 1256

- Secondary Resistance 28 / 0 / 0 /0 / 25 / 0 / 0 /0
- Health Regen 1.15, Energy Regen 3.22
- OA 781, DA 690, Casting Speed 130%, Movement Speed 124%

Total Deaths 97 (LOL I know)

Mainly the question is... my durability is so low. I die too often. The thing is... I think I'm overpowered with regards to offense for my level.. but I'm a glass cannon when it comes to any ranged monsters or mobs. Interestingly, bosses are much easier. Is this expected for Harbinger? Glasscannon but super damage ? It's either I kill first or I die..

[sarcastic_godot]

Bring your resistances up, preferably the major (1st page ones - apart from Physical) to 80, problem solved.

Order of importance: Pierce, Elemental, Poison. Bleed and Vit are a bit situational - Vit is e.g. more important when going against undead.

Also bring your DA up. 800-1000 is the target in Epic. 1k+ in Legendary

And your DPS aren't impressive either... "overpowered" in offense isn't the case.


Actually, Harbinger is IMO one of the most robust classes in this game. You got skill based buffs to OA and DA (max both!), you got a nuke (Shadow Strike), you can dual-wield...

This is where I'd be with Lvl 49 Harbinger:

https://www.tqcalc.com/TitanCalc85a785a785a7.html?mastery=Harbinger&master1=3&master2=9&sa=7&m1=40-6-1-8-0-8-6-1-0-1-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-6-0-6-0-0-0-0-0&m2=40-0-0-0-1-8-1-6-0-0-8-0-0-0-0-0-6-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0

Note that I didn't invest into dual wield yet - sword'n'board does good damage, just only to one target. Also, I didn't invest into Trances yet. Styles vary, but yeah, that'd be my style (off the cuff). Alternatively you could up Trance of Wrath instead of the Shadow Strike / Dream Stealer combo. Or you could ditch Onslaught for now, and just roll along the Distortion Wave / Psionic Immolation line - more or less a caster-y build.

Last advice: Include as many not-too Lvl-outdated Items with +AllSkills in your gear as you can. And to find better gear, I advise either farming Normal Typhon or Hades a few dozen times. You will always collect a solid amount of Relic shards, can zap to Rhodes and sell the crap that fills up your bags after a few runs, and maybe find e.g. a helmet with "Hallowed" prefix for that +1 skill / 50% Vit Resist at the merchants there. Or a "divine" amulet at the mage guy.

Typhon drops quite a bunch of useful +Resist stuff and you're respawning close to him there. Also, he won't regenerate when you happen to die - just stack Fire, Lightning, and Vitality / Lifesteal Resistance for that fight, best to 80. (The one on Olympus, not the recycled one in Hades)

Hades takes a wee longer to kill, and the way from spawn to the boss is longer and more hazardous, but some gear he drops is better.

Find the loot tables here: https://www.tq-db.net/en/monsters - just enter the name in the search field.

HTH + HF!

[Edit2] And I'm not a fan of Battle Standard, but that's another way to buff yourself that can make Harbinger (or all Warfare chars) ridiculously strong. So if you like that, feel free - there are plenty of different ways to go. Just keep your relevant passives high, and grab all the stat points from the mastery bars first.

[chris.ferrantegerard]

Your resistances are junk so that's a huge issue. By epic you really need to start to building up your resistances. Cap is 80% but if you can get the major ones to ~50% you'll stay alive a lot more. Pierce resistance and chance to dodge projectiles will help a lot against archers. You'll want to boost your elemental resistances, pierce and poison resistance mostly. You can get away with terrible bleeding resistance throughout most of the game. Vitality resist is important against certain foes but isn't too widespread either.

High defensive ability can help against melee mobs. Higher health can help against burst damage. I'm assuming you're dual wielding as a Harbringer so that already makes you more squishy as you forgo a shield. You've got enough Strength to use end game armour (~650 or so for that) so you can use some Attribute points to boost your Dex or Health.

[Necanthrope]

I think suicidal_godot's build is a decent setup as long as your not dead set on dual wielding. I also agree with his overall advice. Although its addressed in his edit I would change Battle Standard from a maybe to a definately. Drop Doom Horn if needed as its an unreliable stun and you don't need its other benefits. The Battle Standard is too strong a skill not to take.

The main takeaway here is that resists in this game are really important and get more so as you go into Epic then Legendary. Health and DA are also really important to help cope with burst damage. At the moment your resists are really bad and health and OA could be better.

Farming is likely is the only way to rectify this and Hades is a good choice.

[JewelryStar]

/txhuy88

- Almost character survival ability good or not depend on gears, so you should farming better gears for your characters.
- Raise your resistances that needed for resist enemies dmg at where you playing now. Like melee and bower, thrower enemies deal physical, piercing dmg, if they using some skill like Envenom Weapon, Calculated Strike (you can noticed it by their animation, skill sound when procs), raise poison and bleeding resistances too.
- About skill, you can refer this:
https://www.tqcalc.com/TitanCalc85a785a785a7.html?mastery=Harbinger&master1=3&master2=9&sa=7&m1=32-6-1-8-1-8-6-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0-1-1-1-1-6-1-0-0-0-0-0&m2=24-1-0-0-1-8-1-6-1-0-8-0-0-8-8-1-6-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
+ Tactics: Warwind => War Horn =>Sand of Sleep => Phantom Strike if they surround you or hit them by weapon attack with Onslaught=> PS or Distort Reality if they awaken
_Battle Standard for tough fight.
_NIghtmare pet will help you confused enemies and reduced their resistances.

[dpdp1242]

Thanks everyone - will try more farming and repost later for more advice.. appreciate the feedback!

[Lobo de hielo]

Wow. Please up your resistances. Harbingers are tanky. already have (should have) 21% dodge (melee), 15% avoid (projectiles). Onslaught gives 15% pierce and physical great against ranged.

Consider farming for normal Master forge set drops easy will give 600+ armour and well over 60% elemental resists without being socketed. Rings of the Rime (shield) drops quite easily will give 300 da and a lot more prefixes.

Do not be shy about using scrolls till you feel more tanky normal crushing vortex for mobs and Primal Chaos for end bosses. Alot of good advice from all the others. Have fun.

p.s. consider an aura, not trance of wrath since you are strength based. But the one ups your health and energy regen and damage absorb.