walkthrough without selecting any class.

[Don_ko]

AE became a good reason to play this game one more time. But I've found that I simply didn't know which classes I wanted to take. So I've decided to play "bare" human relying only on items, trusty Left mouse click and health potions.

I'm currently LVL 15, defeated Gorgon sisters. Nearly all my items (which are all yellow) have +2-3,5 hp per second regeneration and I don't feel any difficulties with playing on Normal so far.

Do anybody have similar expirience? Where is the point after which I'll be not able to advance without picking classes?

[Don_ko]

okay guys, I'm in a walley before entrance to obsidian caves (and further, Olympus)
with plant amulet I was able to reach astonishing +106 hp per second regeneration and 1400 hp overall. (32 lvl btw, 98 unused skill points)

Even if I'm quikly low on health during the battle, instead of using bottle (or while using it) I just have to run in circles around my foes for couple of seconds to regenrate to full health.

My damage isn't that great but enough to survive usual pack of enemies without bottle (while surrounded by them ofc). Despite I thought dragon centaurs will be hard, they aren't. Easiest monsters in china. The real danger are tropical spiders (can chip away health faster than I regenerate it) and... black\white tigers. They are almost harmless one-by one, but if white put me in stun and black is around with flag... oh boy.

I've also crafted advanced artefact that grants me "explosion" in a radius of 5 meters with 500 damage + stun. It recharges 90 seconds, so if timed right, I can oneshot pack of those nasty spiders or tigers.

And I've got my first item that grants skill.... and this skill is... Refresh. So useless for a character without any other skill =D

In ocnclusion, so far skilless run isn't something very hard (just a little harder than normal) but pretty entertaining. Tomorrow I'm gonna fight the Titan. I don't know what will happen. Wish me luck!

[TQBatman]

Such a shame you're not live streaming it....
Good luck with Typhon.

[Makenshi]

Amazing you have made it so far but I don't think you'll be able to make it all the way through on higher difficulties unfortunately. The main thing is that on higher difficulties you start with significant penalties on all resistance, so you will have to sacrafice a good portion of your regen to build the right resistance. Also, From Act 3 onwards there are some really tough mobs that can 2 shot you at range, so I am not sure how viable it is with all the missing stats and survivability skills from taking classes.

[Don_ko]

Makenshi の投稿を引用：

Amazing you have made it so far but I don't think you'll be able to make it all the way through on higher difficulties unfortunately. The main thing is that on higher difficulties you start with significant penalties on all resistance, so you will have to sacrafice a good portion of your regen to build the right resistance. Also, From Act 3 onwards there are some really tough mobs that can 2 shot you at range, so I am not sure how viable it is with all the missing stats and survivability skills from taking classes.

I don't expect it's possible on Epic. The gameplay almost feels like playing on higher difficulty.
I don't even believe I can finish ACT4 of Normal since the difficulty rapidly goes up (and armor requairments to strength too)

Here how my hero looks like. All those items are YELLOW items. The axe is only green item.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=763001309

I've got to Olympus today. I've raised my fire and lightning resists up to 35% so I was able to survive obsidyan caves. In fact, firebreathing dragons were easy. Their attack is slow and easy to doge. I was able to land 5-6 hits between attacks.

Third Telkhin guy (don't remember how it spelled in english, sorry) was easy. Haven't used potions at all. His telepathic rock throw took around 250 hp which I regenerated in 2 seconds.

Olympus monsters wasn't hard either if not encountered all at once. Cyclops... let's say I've used a bow to kill them. It's crazy on any difficulty to engage 3-4 cyclops in a close fight.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=763001470
I had to use bow for Titan too. I've tried to go melee first time. The result is in presence of gravestone. Instead, I was standing near arena's entranse going back when meteor shower strikes (it was 100% death) and dodging lightning bolts. I was able to shot one arrow each time he shot lightning bolt, and his fire-breathing attack, mana steal and health drain allowed me to land much more shots one after another. Eventually Titan was dead.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=763001555

The whole fight took me around 10 minutes, artifact I had was useless (it wasn't close combat) thus I can say that original game is doable without learning any masteries.

I've started act 4 and, as I mentioned before, it might be the end of skilless run. But can't be sure - after all I was sure I'll not be able to get even to Delfs without skills.

[moka]

Wooo, congratz for typhoon without masteries !

[Force]

Thats really impressive, Typhon without any masteries! But yeah, act 4 will be too hard I think, mobs there are like 100% stronger than in act 1 - 3, and for higher difficulties there will probably come the problem with the missing stats for better gear that you need to up your resistances or your damage.

[Faith]

This is awesome. My hats off to you, sir. I am always fascinated by people who try to play these games way different than it is meant to be.

Good luck on your Act 4.

[Elgar]

Congratulations ! Awesome. And thank you for sharing your journey. :)

[Don_ko]

ausecours の投稿を引用：

Wooo, congratz for typhoon without masteries !

Elgar の投稿を引用：

Congratulations ! Awesome. And thank you for sharing your journey. :)

Force の投稿を引用：

Thats really impressive, Typhon without any masteries! But yeah, act 4 will be too hard I think

Faith の投稿を引用：

This is awesome. My hats off to you, sir. I am always fascinated by people who try to play these games way different than it is meant to be.

Good luck on your Act 4.

Thanks guys! And guess what - I'm still going! (act 4, normal)
Here how things went after I got back from Olympus:
On a Rodos beach I've encountered first quest I can't execute. The one where you should protect guy on a lighthouse from waves of undead. I simply couldn't kill them fast enough with my DPS. Like no chance at all.

Crabs were okay, undead was buffy but weak. Frog people were horrible, especially big red fighting type. I was using bow more than I wanted.

The real problems started with forest after the beach. Local demons killed me in 1-2 hits. Could only lure em one by one and kill with bow. My 100hp\sec regen was useless since their attacks took 600-800 hp per axe swing. So I changed my armor from regeneration to movement speed. Clearing the forest still took a hour or two. That was the moment I thought "that's it. I can't play without skills anymore".

But further locations were easier + I found neat green spear that granted me autocast of Green eye on everybody. Thus swamp ruins were cleared. Took long but wasn't as frustrating as forest. Grais were easy once I used bow and dodged their splash attacks.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=763876346
spear in action

On my way to hades I got a neat spear of fire and ice and it gave me a really nice damage output. Currently I'm at lost souls city. Charon wasn't a challenge, but guess who was... Red ants with warfare skills. This horrible things were killing me in 2 rapid hits, unlike any other enemies. Undead were very weak. I can literally gather a crowd around and they still couldn't do much damage.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=764689738
My character. Here are my stats:

LVL 37 / HP 1818 / STR 323 / INT 52 / DEX 260
DPS 396 / Armor 312 / HP regen 43,5
attack ability 446 / defence ability 260
speed 129

Death count: 89 (50 from original game, 39 from ACT 4 only)

With my new weapon and other items game returned to it's normal state. It's challenging. Sometimes I have to lure most dangerous enemies and use a bow, but usually can defeat a pack of monsters.

I'm afraid to say this... but looks like act 4 can be finished without learning skills too :D

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

I had a character like that long ago. I don't remember why I did that. I was probably being dumb or something. Maybe I still even have the save in one of my emails (silly, but I used to backup some saves by sending an email to myself containg the savefile). Gotta check that out later. I think he or she stopped in act 3.

Do old save files work in this version? If I do find it, it will be quite the nostalgia checking some of old savefiles again.

[Don_ko]

tomas の投稿を引用：

I don't remember why I did that. I was probably being dumb or something.

And how exactly taking a little challenge just out of curiosity is "being dumb"?

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

Because it wasn't fun and I kept going regardless.

[Don_ko]

tomas の投稿を引用：

Because it wasn't fun and I kept going regardless.

Why wasn't it fun exactly? I wonder because I enjoy it much more than my last "usual" play 2 years ago. So many new things to discover in this game. Like everything is different.

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

games like this, ARPG I mean, are fun because of the kind of stuff you can do with your character. creating new builds, checking and trying to make a nice combo of spells, synergy between your gear and your skills... playing "classless" is challenging, but not in a fun way. I denied a lot of cool stuff in favor of something that I wasn't even enjoying.

i do like challenge still, but wouldn't force myself to do this sort of thing again.

[Don_ko]

tomas の投稿を引用：

games like this, ARPG I mean, are fun because of the kind of stuff you can do with your character. creating new builds, checking and trying to make a nice combo of spells, synergy between your gear and your skills... playing "classless" is challenging, but not in a fun way. I denied a lot of cool stuff in favor of something that I wasn't even enjoying.

well, i was way younger back then and have more time to play. i do like challenge still, but wouldn't force myself to do this sort of thing again.

hmm. there is still aspect of finding cool items and observing your enemies to learn their attacks and how to dodge them (not only bosses).

And I want to make a copy of my save when I'm done, so I can start Epic with any school combo I want, try different things not spending entire two-three days just to level up on Normal before I can reach Epic. And from my past expirience, by the end of Normal you already have "synergy" in your skills. From now your gameplay and strategy will not change. Pretty boring I must say, that's why I've never finished Epic.