help with a bow

[Stonemyst]

is there any high end note worth bows for a avenger class or monster infrequent bow. All i have atm is ragnarok expasion just wondering if someone could help me out on what to look for

[SilentMeteor]

If you are int based elemental avenger, then Ichaival. If str-dex based avenger, then Gusir's Gifts/Ichthian Stinger.

[sarcastic_godot]

Don't forget about the good old Bramblewood Bow. Resistance reduction + attack speed is pretty awesome. Though they're hard to find, especially with fire buffs. Kill lots of frogs....

[SilentMeteor]

Originally posted by suicidal_godot:

Don't forget about the good old Bramblewood Bow. Resistance reduction + attack speed is pretty awesome. Though they're hard to find, especially with fire buffs. Kill lots of frogs....

Not worth farming this bow even back in IT. It's 25% chance to RR is not effective except boss fight. If you really want RR you can farm Doomfang's Striker which is stable RR, much easier to farm, and can have Tinkerer's affix. With Hunting already have -54% elemental resistance from Flush Out, more RR has reduced effectiveness.
More importantly, as Avenger if you wish to focus on fire damage, Ichaival provides highest base damage. None of said MI can provide such high base fire damage, so affixes do not matter as none of them can do more damage than Ichaival.

[Un Mexicano Tercermundista]

i have a good bow with 191 damage and good stats with attack speed +22 from bow + reliq + 52 attack speed

[Stonemyst]

ty all

[sarcastic_godot]

Originally posted by SilentMeteor:

Originally posted by suicidal_godot:

Don't forget about the good old Bramblewood Bow. Resistance reduction + attack speed is pretty awesome. Though they're hard to find, especially with fire buffs. Kill lots of frogs....

Not worth farming this bow even back in IT. It's 25% chance to RR is not effective except boss fight. If you really want RR you can farm Doomfang's Striker which is stable RR, much easier to farm, and can have Tinkerer's affix. With Hunting already have -54% elemental resistance from Flush Out, more RR has reduced effectiveness.
More importantly, as Avenger if you wish to focus on fire damage, Ichaival provides highest base damage. None of said MI can provide such high base fire damage, so affixes do not matter as none of them can do more damage than Ichaival.

I had had a Volcanic or Molten Bramblewood Bow of Brimstone once. (died with that HDD, though...) With a legendary Prometheus, that outperformed the Ichaival (which didn't exist in those days) in fire/burn damage, though not in base damage. And it didn't have that lightning topping, either.

I chanced upon it when running over for another little dance with Toxeus with another char - Made me roll my first Avenger.... ...and I do ofc concede and know that I was pretty darn lucky there.

And re. lower resistances: Bramblewood does a fixed number, not a percentage reduction. Same for Flush Out, hence those stack nicely. 3 sec duration, 25% chance, and an attack speed well north of 150% makes the effect somewhat permanent, statistically.... ...and it's twice as high as Doomfang's is. And DoTs (and thus AFAIK / presumably also debuffs over time) do not stack in TQ, they just reapply and refresh their duration.

*shrug*

TL;DR: Bramblewood is annoyingly tough to farm, but if you happen to get a nice one, it's pretty awesome.

[Stonemyst]

what kind of Bramblewood would i want if i was str/dex avenger? i mostly use the golem to hold aggro for a bit but i do have earth enchantment aswell

[Stonemyst]

like i also have stonebinder cuffs but i havent played in almost 10 years and i dont know what good rolls r and bad rolls on gear.

[SilentMeteor]

Originally posted by suicidal_godot:

Originally posted by SilentMeteor:

Not worth farming this bow even back in IT. It's 25% chance to RR is not effective except boss fight. If you really want RR you can farm Doomfang's Striker which is stable RR, much easier to farm, and can have Tinkerer's affix. With Hunting already have -54% elemental resistance from Flush Out, more RR has reduced effectiveness.
More importantly, as Avenger if you wish to focus on fire damage, Ichaival provides highest base damage. None of said MI can provide such high base fire damage, so affixes do not matter as none of them can do more damage than Ichaival.

I had had a Volcanic or Molten Bramblewood Bow of Brimstone once. (died with that HDD, though...) With a legendary Prometheus, that outperformed the Ichaival (which didn't exist in those days) in fire/burn damage, though not in base damage. And it didn't have that lightning topping, either.

I chanced upon it when running over for another little dance with Toxeus with another char - Made me roll my first Avenger.... ...and I do ofc concede and know that I was pretty darn lucky there.

And re. lower resistances: Bramblewood does a fixed number, not a percentage reduction. Same for Flush Out, hence those stack nicely. 3 sec duration, 25% chance, and an attack speed well north of 150% makes the effect somewhat permanent, statistically.... ...and it's twice as high as Doomfang's is. And DoTs (and thus AFAIK / presumably also debuffs over time) do not stack in TQ, they just reapply and refresh their duration.

*shrug*

TL;DR: Bramblewood is annoyingly tough to farm, but if you happen to get a nice one, it's pretty awesome.

You did not count the damage lose before you procs RR and the hit that procs RR. Please do note that it has only 25% chance to proc which is important, and the hit that carries RR effect does not benefit from the RR effect which is also important. You have to wait until the next hit of a 25% chance proc to deal increased damage. Normal minions does not require that much hit as it's likely you already killed them before the effect procs, even they do the increased damage does not have overall increased efficiency; unless in boss fight as I already mentioned since boss has significantly increased health bar. You seem like you can proc RR on every single hit and you ignored the initial hit. Also the idea that "somewhat permanent" is non-exist since 25% chance to proc is not "procs every 4 hit", you lose some damage when you are unlucky and get nothing when you are lucky as RR does not stack with itself.
And since you mentioned such rare affixes on a rare MI, you should compare with enchanted Ichaival instead of vanilla one, which still does more damage than your bramblewood without RR proc. of the Betrayer, for example, which makes Ichaival also has chance to RR.
And for Tinkerer's affix and Doomfang Striker, in 2.9 you can't use two Incarnation of Prometheus' Flame, but you can use one Incarnation of Anubis' Wrath which adds more attack speed and more importantly ATDTH. You said you pick Incarnation of Prometheus' Flame on the bow, which means you will need to use artifact or amulet to find ATDTH. With Tinkerer's affix you are free of that and you can find other stats on these slots. Also RR is diminishing returns, you are not comparing with 50 RR and 22 RR, instead you are comparing 22+54 and 50+54, and the latter one is chance to proc while the previous one is always proc. I don't even want to mention that Doomfang has a fixed mini boss to farm with very high drop chance which Bramblewood does not.

[SilentMeteor]

Originally posted by Stonemyst:

what kind of Bramblewood would i want if i was str/dex avenger? i mostly use the golem to hold aggro for a bit but i do have earth enchantment aswell

For str/dex avenger, the answer is still no, not worth farming. Bramblewood has 49 base converted pierce damage, while Ichthian Stinger has 73 base converted pierce damage and 20% to fully convert which is 221, on average 102 converted pierce damage. Even when Bramblewood procs every single time which is not the case as I already mentioned, you need the initial pierce resistance of monsters to be around 100% to make the damage equal. That means only for Traps/Golem you will have even damage for the two bows, other monsters Ichthian Stinger always wins. And again, it is much easier to farm.