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talloyer Jun 24, 2023 @ 1:41pm
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Saga Anderson was RACE-SWAPPED for Alan Wake II
Even though Quantum Break and Alan Wake are supposed to be IPs with their own universe, did you know Quantum Break had an easter egg teasing Alan Wake 2? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iePFK5BB_m4 I missed or I forgot about it, cannot remember which, definitely didn't pay attention when I played Quantum Break years ago.
Edit: there is a picture from Sam Lake himself showing very clearly the name "Saga Anderson" on her badge when she committed the "awful crime" of daring to be White: https://twitter.com/SamLakeRMD/status/677615946241060864/photo/1
Considering Alan Wake II is now a real thing, this teaser falls very much in line with the premise of the game shown so far to the pointing of making Saga Anderson not so random after all, which mitigates my frustration with the forced co-protagonist in Alan Wake II.
My issue is, Remedy Entertainment completely changed Saga Anderson's appearance for Alan Wake II to the point of Race-Swapping - https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/06/14/alan-wake-ii-race-swaps-saga-anderson-replaces-original-actress-malla-malmivaara-with-the-idol-actress-melanie-liburd/ - and I despise this change, Race-Swapping is Woke and spreads Racism among Society with the pretense of "inclusion" or "diversity". Imagine if there was Quantum Break 2 and Remedy Entertainment decided to race-swap Martin Hatch (RIP, Lance Reddick) to be portrayed by the likes of Chris Evans or Chris Hemsworth, white guys; just as bad.
To be fair, from the trailer, Saga was never properly named there, and only from her FBI badge her name can be barely seen (Alex Casey's name was written with big letters on the board as missing person), which is certainly why most of us had missed this detail. Some "brilliant mind" in Remedy Entertainment must have dismissed the issue of race-swapping Saga Anderson ("bah, nodody will notice, who cares") but this Woke decision backfired on them, especially when Melanie Liburd committed Wokeness in promotional material of Alan Wake II: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgL99_0cihQ&t=158s
I do not know nor really care why Malla Malmivaara didn't return to Alan Wake 2, but would it hurt so badly to just recast her with another blonde white actress? Why not cast Melanie Liburd as another supporting character important to the plot of Alan Wake II, as a resident of Bright Falls, for example? Everybody happy, but nooo, this was clearly not good enough for Remedy Entertainment.
I wonder if Remedy Entertainment will bother to write a "narrative excuse" for the race-swapping in Alan Wake II (which would make sense if Saga Anderson is just a construct created by Alan Wake) or just pretend this easter egg never existed.
Wokeness shall cost Remedy Entertainment more than they are willing to admit. It did not have to be this way. :VGRUMPY:
Last edited by talloyer; Dec 4, 2023 @ 9:20am
Originally posted by Marcelo X:
I had no idea that they race-swapped in Alan Wake 2 until today, that is racist, no other way around it. You can try to defend race-swapping all you want, but at the end of the day you are just justifying racism, like all these comments I just read on here that pretend they don't see an issue with race-swapping or pretend they don't understand why it's racist. Oh please, it's extremely common now for people to pretend to not know why something is controversial...playing dumb doesn't work with me, you aren't so stupid that you don't know what the problem is. smfh at the phony people pretending to not understand why race-swapping is racist or who pretend this is a rightwing issue (it's not the rightwing that participates in race-swapping, that racism comes from the leftwing only.) And no, I'm not a republican, never voted for Trump yet the support of race-swapping and full-on racism are some of the reasons why I left the democratic party a few years ago, I just can't be a democrat anymore because the party has become super racist or maybe it was always super racist and I never noticed, they did create the KKK after all. So anyway, I'm not leftwing so I will never be okay with the racist act of race-swapping.
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RayoSombrio Nov 18, 2023 @ 11:03am 
A big mistake, specially because she is a mere token character.
Just wait, a mod will be coming soon, but don't look for it in any site like nexusmods...
talloyer Nov 18, 2023 @ 11:32am 
I would love a mod that swapped Saga Anderson with Agent Estevez.
heksesang Nov 18, 2023 @ 12:38pm 
Originally posted by Catastrophucked:
She's not better, she's worse, and she has the same bland, lifeless tone in her voice that all these race-swapped characters have due to the devs trying to male their appearance feel less off, because it totally is off when you change a character's entire race.
Why would their voice be lifeless because the character has another skin color? How does voice and skin color relate?
talloyer Nov 18, 2023 @ 12:46pm 
Originally posted by heksesang:
Originally posted by Catastrophucked:
She's not better, she's worse, and she has the same bland, lifeless tone in her voice that all these race-swapped characters have due to the devs trying to male their appearance feel less off, because it totally is off when you change a character's entire race.
Why would their voice be lifeless because the character has another skin color? How does voice and skin color relate?
They don't, but Saga Anderson is bland for the most part. Still, the Wokes think "representation" is so much more important that voice acting, that is, for Saga being black this would automatically make her an awesome character.
Edelcast Nov 19, 2023 @ 2:59am 
Huge spoilers for Alan Wake 2 ahead - They backed the swap up with plot though, her Father is black, and it's not some random black dude that left when she was little (that would be even more racist), it's Warlin Door, the character that was supposed to be Quantum Break's own Martin Hatch before the unfortunate passing of Lance Reddick.

Was that planned, or shoehorned in after the swap? Who knows. But I have immense respect for Lance Reddick and if that was planned ahead it would indeed not make sense if she wasn't black with a black father.

Her racist comments in the game are inexcusable either way though.
heksesang Nov 19, 2023 @ 1:54pm 
Originally posted by talloyer:
Originally posted by heksesang:
Why would their voice be lifeless because the character has another skin color? How does voice and skin color relate?
They don't, but Saga Anderson is bland for the most part. Still, the Wokes think "representation" is so much more important that voice acting, that is, for Saga being black this would automatically make her an awesome character.
I cannot see any way it would make any sense to drop all the character design because her skin color is different, and then a white Saga Anderson would be just as bland as a black Saga Anderson.

And when they decide to go with a black actor, they still would pick the best one for the role, so again I cannot see how she would have a lifeless tone as a result.
JACK Nov 19, 2023 @ 2:34pm 
Originally posted by talloyer:
Even though Quantum Break and Alan Wake are supposed to be IPs with their own universe, did you know Quantum Break had an easter egg teasing Alan Wake 2? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbFqmP8CYxo I missed or I forgot about it, cannot remember which, definitely didn't pay attention when I played Quantum Break years ago. Considering Alan Wake II is a real thing, this teaser falls very much in line with the premise of the game shown so far to the pointing of making Saga Anderson not so random after all, which mitigates my frustration with the forced co-protagonist in Alan Wake II.
My issue is, Remedy Entertainment completely changed Saga Anderson's appearance for Alan Wake II to the point of Race-Swapping - https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/06/14/alan-wake-ii-race-swaps-saga-anderson-replaces-original-actress-malla-malmivaara-with-the-idol-actress-melanie-liburd/ - and I despise this change, Race-Swapping is Woke and spreads Racism among Society with the pretense of "inclusion" or "diversity". Imagine if there was Quantum Break 2 and Remedy Entertainment decided to race-swap Martin Hatch (RIP, Lance Reddick) to be portrayed by the likes of Chris Evans or Chris Hemsworth, white guys; just as bad.
To be fair, from the trailer, Saga was never properly named there, and only from her FBI badge her name can be barely seen (Alex Casey's name was written with big letters on the board as missing person), which is certainly why most of us had missed this detail. Some "brilliant mind" in Remedy Entertainment must have dismissed the issue of race-swapping Saga Anderson ("bah, nodody will notice, who cares") but this Woke decision backfired on them, especially when Melanie Liburd committed Wokeness in promotional material of Alan Wake II: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgL99_0cihQ&t=158s
I do not know nor really care why Malla Malmivaara didn't return to Alan Wake 2, but would it hurt so badly to just recast her with another blonde white actress? Why not cast Melanie Liburd as another supporting character important to the plot of Alan Wake II, as a resident of Bright Falls, for example? Everybody happy, but nooo, this was clearly not good enough for Remedy Entertainment.
I wonder if Remedy Entertainment will bother to write a "narrative excuse" for the race-swapping in Alan Wake II (which would make sense if Saga Anderson is just a construct created by Alan Wake) or just pretend this easter egg never existed.
Wokeness shall cost Remedy Entertainment more than they are willing to admit. It did not have to be this way. :VGRUMPY:

She was definitely race swapped. Her backstory having Scandinavian heritage makes it obvious she was originally meant to be white. Also the levels of diversity in a small town rural Washington makes no sense. You would think the town was in Seattle.

This website will explain it all:
https://sweetbabyinc.com/
Last edited by JACK; Nov 19, 2023 @ 2:35pm
Gaming Inpatient Nov 19, 2023 @ 5:41pm 
That's not even mentioning the line that Saga Anderson mutters during the game where she's "not going to let any more White men tell her what to think".

That confirmed it for me that the decision to change Saga into a Black woman was not about money or availability of a decent White blond actress, but 100% about leftist politics.

It's really sad too because I enjoyed her acting up until that point. Sam Lake became a real disappointment in my eyes because of this one line. This game was a masterpiece of horror and storytelling in my opinion, outside of Saga's selective issues with White men.
Last edited by Gaming Inpatient; Nov 19, 2023 @ 5:41pm
Jam1511 Nov 20, 2023 @ 12:31am 
Originally posted by heksesang:
Originally posted by talloyer:
They don't, but Saga Anderson is bland for the most part. Still, the Wokes think "representation" is so much more important that voice acting, that is, for Saga being black this would automatically make her an awesome character.
I cannot see any way it would make any sense to drop all the character design because her skin color is different, and then a white Saga Anderson would be just as bland as a black Saga Anderson.

And when they decide to go with a black actor, they still would pick the best one for the role, so again I cannot see how she would have a lifeless tone as a result.

IMO,white Saga Anderson could be more related to Anderson brothers and add more elements of Norse Myth to her.
Since "There are many worlds",it would be interested to see black Saga Anderson and white Saga Anderson to meet each other in the future AWE. If Remedy dare.
heksesang Nov 20, 2023 @ 1:44pm 
Originally posted by Jam1511:
Originally posted by heksesang:
I cannot see any way it would make any sense to drop all the character design because her skin color is different, and then a white Saga Anderson would be just as bland as a black Saga Anderson.

And when they decide to go with a black actor, they still would pick the best one for the role, so again I cannot see how she would have a lifeless tone as a result.

IMO,white Saga Anderson could be more related to Anderson brothers and add more elements of Norse Myth to her.
Since "There are many worlds",it would be interested to see black Saga Anderson and white Saga Anderson to meet each other in the future AWE. If Remedy dare.
That's true, she would appear more connected to the Norse. But she'd lose her connection to Door, which also could provide some interesting twists.

But it would be cool if she met the blond Saga at some point, it shouldn't be an impossibility after all. :D
Last edited by heksesang; Nov 20, 2023 @ 1:44pm
It’s gotten to the point that the people who complain about “wokeness” to this degree are more annoying than the “woke” people. Suppose everything you’re saying is 100% correct and confirmed…what was the point of this post? To rant and rave that your favorite games are being hijacked by the “woke mob”? To point out how white people are under attack, etc.?

The fact that yet another (presumably) white guy is hammering madly at his keyboard about this ♥♥♥♥ plays into their narrative, so you only serve to make a fool of yourself, even if you’re correct. For starters, why does it bother you SO much aside from just an eyeroll and a sigh? You wrote an entire dissertation on all of this and you sound unhinged about. Why do you care so much? Why is this the hill you insist on dying on? What do you plan to do about this endemic wokeness in gaming and media besides whining and fighting with other internet randos about it?

The fact that you get SO up-in-arms about racism against whites (and no, I’m NOT saying they deserve it or implying you’re racist yourself), especially to this “passionate” degree just signals to a deeper issue with you and your personality, but I’m sure you have another furious rant waiting for me in response to this.

tl;dr - You’re not the badass activist you think you are. You sound like a fool with Dorito crumbs in your beard.
Originally posted by talloyer:
Originally posted by startrekmike:

Can you explain in detail how "race-swapping is a big deal"? Especially since we are talking about a new character from a game that hasn't even come out yet. Heck. We know for a fact that sometimes technical and creative changes happen as a game is developed. Sometimes scenes get cut. Sometimes character designs change. This isn't unusual at all.

So. Again. Why (in detail) is "race-swapping a big deal" in this case? Considering your use of the word "woke" I have a feeling that I already might know what drives you to make posts like this but I am still curious none the less.
Ask me again when a black character is race-swapped in a sequel. Until then, you just don't care.
I literally see this same argument made by other angry white guys on every nerdy fandom. It’s almost like you guys have nothing better to do. I agree forcing ANY ideology down anyone’s throat is annoying. I had this same argument on Reddit last year and the guy said “Let’s see how you feel if Ryan Gosling plays Blade.”

The fact that you all get your panties in a bunch about this just makes you looks ridiculous and will make others wonder why YOU need to prove that everyone else is just as racist as the people they call racist. It’s a tired point that only exists within circles of guys like you who whine, get laughed at, and continue to whine and get laughed at further. But hey, you’re so intelligent and mature standing up to the internet idiots to educate them, right? (I mean, why bother if they’re so hopeless?)

Anything that makes you feel better about being bullied growing up, right? I’ll bet that’s where this all started…

tl;dr - Your lack of self-awareness and originality are the problem here.
Last edited by X E N O B U S S Y; Dec 4, 2023 @ 3:27am
Originally posted by talloyer:
Originally posted by startrekmike:

I can assure you that Remedy isn't going to "go broke" just because you want to throw a fit about something that only matters because you have been conditioned to think it matters by certain political and ideological forces in your life.
I am certain Remedy Entertainment will not go broke due to an eventual flop of Alan Wake II, even because it has other projects under way (Control 2, Condor: Control multiplayer spin-off, Vanguard project, remakes of Max Payne 1 and 2) but no Alan Wake III for certain!
After all, Remedy Entertainment is masterful in keeping itself financially solvent with flop after flop since Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne. Although "Control" managed to sell over 3 million of copies, profitable yet way below its deserved potential... I love "Control".

People seem to be raving about the game now with their only complaints being the gamebreaking bugs. Aside from the race-swapping, I haven’t seen any obvious “wokeness” other than maybe having black characters in the first place could be performative? We can’t prove that however.

Looks like you were wrong about this one and need to spend more time outside and less watching TheQuartering and every other angry neckbeard who suckers money out of angry incels and laughs at them all the way to the bank.

So much for that “eventual flop” eh, genius?
talloyer Dec 4, 2023 @ 6:31am 
I am so glad you feel the anti-wokes are "worse" than the wokes because that is the point and we can no longer be ignored nor dismissed. Especially because the games affected by the Wokes have been getting worse and worse by them to the point studios as Volition Games were shut down and the upcoming Suicide Squad game is also infected by the Wokes. The fact Melanie Liburd was nominated to The Game Awards for "best performance" instead of much better actors like Matthew Porreta/Ilka Villi, James McCaffrey and David Harewood show how rigged the Ceremony is to favor Wokeness.
Cope and Cry harder, and await for your next favorite studio to Go Broke. :thetrap:
talloyer Dec 4, 2023 @ 6:33am 
Hah, I just realized the video I shared in my OP was removed by the coward uploader, who I presume was tired of supporting the Wokes :lunar2019laughingpig:. I will replace the link later when I return. EDIT: done!
Last edited by talloyer; Dec 4, 2023 @ 9:29am
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