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As for the multiverses and woke content? Let me make something perfectly clear. I understand how the multiverse concept could potentially lead to a character appearing different, and it being a completely innocent change, but I am also aware of how the multiverse concept can be manipulated to insert propaganda.
As for the story? Outside of when I was playing as Alan, which had been very little up to the point where I cut myself off, I simply didn't play enough to remain interested. I wanted to see a little more happen with Tor and Odin, but just didn't receive enough, and I was more interested in Alan focusing on trying to rescue his girlfriend, which again I haven't seen any hints of. Beyond that, I have CONSIDERED finishing the game at times, but that consideration is fleeting at best. Plus I have other hobbies that regularly grab my attention, and by the time I'm through immersing myself in those, another, more interesting game has already caught my eye.
Lastly, if people are being scared off, that's their problem, not mine.
I'm sure your use of calling people "Snowflakes" in past comments was very much on brand and relative to the topic at hand...
Just there it is again, that jaggedness of apathy to everyone you talk to.
I don't mean people are literally scarred, i mean it in the most basic way possible- they'd rather not waste time on you.
With that you should consider the use of jargon very well is a point of contention given how it simplifies, or especially obfuscates, an argument too much. No i do not mean using "mainstream" wording if you will, instead more entertaining the faults and issues in any of these arguments and why they are.
Because anyone can just call you a snowflake or slur, delusional especially, and go on their merry way now since your branded as something.
In this case though i also refer to acting on morals, specifically branding the company itself as immoral by just calling it woke or such and that's that.
And thank you for pointing out exactly why i don't see a point in asking for your take on the story anymore.
If your not interested in how it could have been changed narratively then why would i bother asking you about it at all?
You've already moved on and seem to not even entertain the idea others may actually enjoy the gameplay/narratives, despite it's faults.
So i will point out and ask by what do you mean propaganda?
Is it for the player or the company image itself?
Propaganda is when Remedy games consults with sweetbabyinc, a consulting company explicitly made to help games present an experience featuring content that people would deem woke.
https://sweetbabyinc.com/projects/
"We believe you need diverse voices to solve diverse problems. Sweet Baby Inc. provides narrative consultation at any stage of development, boasting a talented team with vetted industry experience to best bring your story to life."
The simple fact of the matter is propaganda exists in Alan Wake 2, and it comes in the form of woke trash, and minimal or otherwise doesn't make a difference to me. I call it like I see it, especially when the company doing is being so open and clear about their intent to transform the game into one of "their" products.
Alan Wake 2 is literally listed under their projects list.
Geeze good to see you doing your ignoring thing again, besides using "Woke" and generalizing things yet again.
Because you said literally nothing here.
You described a company working with another company wow.
All i'm seeing is you grasping at straws here... because who's saying they're pushing an agenda? You? Calling it like you see it? I'm starting to think your the issue here...
Projecting, projecting, projecting.
You ever consider its just a simple thing and not some grand conspiracy?
Picture this:
You want to add a swamp environment to a game, but you’ve only ever seen a desert in your life.
Are you going to make one based soley off of random ideas you've heard about?
No, thats insane. You’ll go look up swamps for reference.
Same thing here but with say added bits of folk lore.
Unless your alright with stereotyping cultures and people so you can push certain agendas- so do tell whats the issue here again?
As for your your counter-examples? Neither of them work, because the goal isn't to gather objective information for a relatively impersonal task, not in regards to sweetbabyinc. Sweetbabyinc's goal is to influence the sociocultural landscape of video-games, and they've dug their claws into so many famous titles, and ruined them, that we're now starting to see a massive loss in sales, and will continue to see them for as long they keep on with their work. I'm sure you'll probably go flying into denial over that one too, and claim it's just "projecting" in another cope post.
Also, just as a little side-note: stereotypes can and do provide a GENERALIZED representation of culture that is accurate on a fundamental level. It should never be applied to individuals, because it's not supposed to, and that's where it actually becomes bad, and genuinely harmful. You use the stereotype to form a base, then mold/adjust the characters and plot structure to fit the narrative you want to craft. It's like making a cake -- there are layers. Hopefully with this knowledge in mind, you won't try to do something as donkeyish as trying to bait me into painting myself as an abuser of terminology, or to put it bluntly: do to me what you literally just did to yourself.
Goodness gracious i don't even need to care about what i type now holy...
This man really said "technically pushing an agenda" then proceeds to pull 3 paragraphs out of nothing before accusing me of being the issue here.
The lack of self awareness is baffling chat.
You have spent over 20 pages of comments ranting about a game you didn't finish, on a forum FOR A DIFFERENT GAME that is only related in the loosest possible way due to copyright infringements. You deeply care about this subject in a way that I find both horrifying and fascinating.
What is the specific threat that your culture faces from all this "wokeness" that you are concerned about?
Let's say that you are 100% correct in everything you say about this and all the other great modern games are just "woke propaganda" and now the vast majority of the world is "woke." What has been lost in your culture? what in this new woke world will you be without? maybe I'm just a dumb dummy who doesn't get what is really at stake here. so please be plain and clear so dummies like me can understand.
What is the threat that "wokeness" presents to your culture or your personal day to day life?
The core threat I perceive from woke culture as it relates to gaming is it threatens escapism. I generally dislike politics, sociocultural discussions, and all that stuff, but woke culture has a tendency of forcing its way into the medium of my hobbies. Generally, and because woke content is so pervasive, this means I have to put actual effort into avoiding games that feature the stuff, and because that's not something I feel I should have to do, it becomes annoying enough that I feel the need to speak out against it.
Me, like other gamers just don't want to be reminded of all the dumb garbage permeating our world's society, culture, and politics, and just have a good time playing a fun game.
Ok wait this is new- first what do you mean people like you?
"- including by people like myself, because there was an actual love for the racial aesthetics..."
And Isn't this all in a way being woke yourself as your just pointing at it instead of actuallly offering real solutions and evidence to this discussion?
Because if your actually willing to object to that statement then I'd love to ask things like:
-Where are you getting your sample size for virtually 99% of games to be this way. And if it is not "games" only then why are you generalizing this statistic.
-Do you have any actual PROOF this is the current situation for the gaming market beyond Allan wake 2? (If that's true to begin with)
-With hobbies, you mean solely videogames, or does that include other online/offline activitys? Be specific.
-Finally, if your fed up enough to speak out about it then why aren't you at least being informed in what your fighting about as it seems hypocritical or ignorant.
I.E. Not finishing the entirety of your playthrough but claiming the devs forced XYZ for no reason.
You have been very clear that you feel like wokeness has weaseled its way into your precious games, and even woke creators shouldn't make woke stuff because it upsets your political aesthetic. I didn't ask you where the threat is. I asked you WHAT is the threat that wokeness presents to your culture.
What about "woke culture" do you find threatening- so much so that you will engage in a behavior that you must despise. After all you have 20 pages of political discussion here, and you hate that ♥♥♥♥. So you must really hate this woke ideology that you keep talking about. But I'm not understanding what it is that you are actually having a conflict with here. "Woke" is a buzzword, that doesn't mean the same thing to you as it does to the people who invented that word.
So I ask you for plain and clear words. to explain to me - not what you wish would be free of wokeness- but what it is that you think wokeness is, or better yet- what about "wokeness" is a material threat to your way of life? When this agenda sneaks into your game, why is it so bad that you talk about it for weeks instead of just demand a refund, or not buy a product that you obviously disagree with?
I hate football. I think professional sports are dumb. so I don't go to games. When people I work with talk about sports, I don't engage. If they make fun of me for not liking their sportsball- I mock them for not knowing how to read. But that's the extent that I think about sports. The sports team in my town, and the sports part of the local news show is not a threat to my lifestyle- though I find it all quite distasteful. I don't discuss it on the internet.
Why is "Wokeness" so dangerous to you and your lifestyle?
Also, was there a specific moment within the narrative of the game that you "felt the wokeness" or anything like that? or were you just fuming the whole time thinking about this clip from Quantum Break, then researching what kind of companies Remedy wokes contracts with. Because it wasn't until I found this absurd thread that I even learned that there was a woke agenda anywhere in this game. I thought it was just all ghosts, Control crossovers, with some sweet David Lynch flair everywhere.
But I also have never felt threatened by "wokeness" so I'm not sure what I would be looking for.