What is with the final fight!?

[hawkhill]

I haven't finished the game yet, but I'm close. My only reason I haven't finished it yet is because the final fight is TERRIBLY designed!
- Don't get to fight main villain, but hordes of dudes, most of which you can't use most of your time abilities on.
- Villain throws so many one-hit kill attacks.
- Camera does let you look where you're running, as you run from the time bomb, and then you need to run all the way back to do any damage to the villain.
- NO CHECKPOINTS AT ANY TIME!
- Doesn't spawn you after the cutscene, or even after the trigger cutscene, but spawns you WAY away from the trigger for the cutscene, only to skip it for an 8 second loading screen, THEN you get to fight the terrible fight.
DID NO ONE PLAY TEST THIS!?
Even worse, I can't set the difficulty down from normal. I even tried setting aim assist all the way up, and it doesn't make a difference, since there's so many insta-kill attacks being thrown at you!

[tracksone]

You are emotional right now. Calm down take a deep breath, watch a tips video on youtube. Roll your sleeves up and actually put some effort in. It isnt that hard, but you have to TRY

[hawkhill]

Originally posted by tracksone:

You are emotional right now. Calm down take a deep breath, watch a tips video on youtube. Roll your sleeves up and actually put some effort in. It isnt that hard, but you have to TRY

I was calm for the first 3-4 attempts. But as the insta-kills kept coming, often when I was drained of dodge powers or cover getting in the way, and the constant walking all the way up to the cutscene to restart, it just got frustrating.
I finally finished it, but only but staying all the way in the back of the room, where most enemies don't spawn in. There, all I really had to worry about was the time grenades from Paul.
If the fight just had a better checkpoint system, I wouldn't be nearly as frustrated.
Or maybe if it was instead built as a fight between just you and Paul, instead of having him in the high ground protected as he throws time grenades at you.
Maybe I'm also just frustrated at the lack of closure. We beat Paul, saved Will, and saved time. That's a lot of closure, but there's still so much left on cliff hanger for a sequel that I don't think we're ever gonna get. Not after the success of Control and work of the upcoming Crossfire.
Heck, people have been asking for more Alan Wake, and that story is still not finished (unless the new Control Expansion answer that. I haven't played it yet, but I heard it's a crossover). At least Alan Wake got some DLC and Spin-offs to give us more, where as Quantum Break has nothing left after it ends.
Sorry for my rant. I am calm, just disappointed that we aren't gonna get much more, as I LOVE this game, and even enjoy its Live Action side-series. But there's just so much left intentionally that it feels empty.

[River Victor]

The only advice is keep moving. This works on Hard. Pick a direction to move. Clockwise, or anti-clockwise, and move that one direction.

First wave, the white suits, easy kills can be obtained by Dodge ram into them (they'll be knocked back) and focus shoot the head. Use only ONE dodge. Save the rest to escape. Avoid using Rush to kill them, as the finisher takes too much time, and you'll be targeted by Paul. Use Rush to escape instead. Escape is imperative here.

Second wave, yellow suits and the tank. Keep moving. Pick a direction again. The yellow suits are easy to kill. Shoot from behind the cover, empty a mag, and change cover. Never more. Never stay long. Don't get greedy. Move in on direfction. Once all of them are down, take care of the tank. Same tactic but this time, just pop a Shield and empty a mag, then move. That's about it.

[tracksone]

If youre that frustrated after 3 attempts at a boss, i dont know what to tell you fam. Youre in for a rude gaming awakening lol

[Fazeball]

I was raging a bit too because it's design... has clear room for improvement (to put it midly).
the combination of new mechanic that's not explained anywhere before, easy to miss telegraph in the middle of a firefight, constantly getting spammed, which of course can hit you everywhere (boss needing line of sight? pff) and of course only affects you and not any of the other enemies is pretty horsesh*t.

however, easiest way is just use shotgun, bumrush everyone except the heavy (since you have to move constantly anyway, making all the cover and the way you fought the whole game before pretty irrelevant), nuke the heavy and that's pretty much it. there's even a new auto shotgun I've never seen before down in the pool (or just missed it, mostly used carbine or LMG).

don't forget shield staggers enemies when activated close and time rush allows you takedown almost everyone instantly.

[Gødden]

Originally posted by hawkhill:

I haven't finished the game yet, but I'm close. My only reason I haven't finished it yet is because the final fight is TERRIBLY designed!

50+ attempts on hard. Absolutely garbage.

[Fazeball]

Originally posted by Gødden:

Originally posted by hawkhill:

I haven't finished the game yet, but I'm close. My only reason I haven't finished it yet is because the final fight is TERRIBLY designed!

50+ attempts on hard. Absolutely garbage.

maxed all the skills? mostly used dash and shield, if I didn't use melee takedown they just got 1-2 shotgun blasts in the face. on hard as well.

[Gødden]

Originally posted by Fazeball:

Originally posted by Gødden:

50+ attempts on hard. Absolutely garbage.

maxed all the skills? mostly used dash and shield, if I didn't use melee takedown they just got 1-2 shotgun blasts in the face. on hard as well.

Rush, Dodge, Blast, Vision maxed out.
Using the carabine for head shoots on the bullet sponges.

What this game had going for it was the AI tactics completely destroyed by Sauromans Eye insta killing.

[Fazeball]

Originally posted by Gødden:

Originally posted by Fazeball:

maxed all the skills? mostly used dash and shield, if I didn't use melee takedown they just got 1-2 shotgun blasts in the face. on hard as well.

Rush, Dodge, Blast, Vision maxed out.
Using the carabine for head shoots on the bullet sponges.

What this game had going for it was the AI tactics completely destroyed by Sauromans Eye insta killing.

lost the carbine after a reload, was kinda pissed at first but it also forces you to stand still way too much. shotgun has much higher burst, and only the heavy is a bullet sponge (while also being slow and easy to deal with with time stop + unloading a full mag into him before moving on).
but yeah, that added mechanic is kinda bs at that point.

[Víctor S.]

Yeah, it's hard, but only at first, when you don't know what the hell is going on. The only thing I can add is that an easy way to kill the tank is taking the auto shotgun (it's on the left corner at the back of the pool), use a rush to step just behind him and shot a few times to his backpack equipment. 3-4 shots and he's dead. Then, you'll have to dodge 3 more giant blasts from Paul, and that`s it. Good luck!

[ʟǟֆȶʟɨʋɨռɢքօɛȶ]

took me a while, but I chugged a bunch of coffee and kept moving and was able to beat the bastard

[Gødden]

Okay, so I got it done. Thanks for all the tips. Shotgun was better than carabine but had to change tactics. At the end I wanted to kill Paul with it Soldier of Fortune style.

[Warpsmith_GREW50ME]

I can easily beat the guys. Second wave, after they all die, that blast he does... have died literally everywhere on the map. I watched two youtube videos on it and neither one show him even doing the same type of blast.

One guy literally just hid behind a forklift and he was fine. I don't get it.

Honestly, the combat and game play loop in this game are extremely terrible.

From the first fight in the game, I was like "Why am I shooting at these guys? Worst "Bring your brother to work day" ever. Then I was like, "Okay, the main character must be some sort of badass with PTSD or something?" But then you cant't use grenades and enemies all have 100% accuracy and they have huge health pools and you don't, and you can't throw grenades, and you can't aim very well... but you can stop time.

It's junk.

[ʟǟֆȶʟɨʋɨռɢքօɛȶ]

dont get mad, beat the boss

[Víctor S.]

Originally posted by GREW50ME:

I can easily beat the guys. Second wave, after they all die, that blast he does... have died literally everywhere on the map. I watched two youtube videos on it and neither one show him even doing the same type of blast.

One guy literally just hid behind a forklift and he was fine. I don't get it.

Honestly, the combat and game play loop in this game are extremely terrible.

From the first fight in the game, I was like "Why am I shooting at these guys? Worst "Bring your brother to work day" ever. Then I was like, "Okay, the main character must be some sort of badass with PTSD or something?" But then you cant't use grenades and enemies all have 100% accuracy and they have huge health pools and you don't, and you can't throw grenades, and you can't aim very well... but you can stop time.

It's junk.

Man, keep moving. The blasts starts either at the back of the pool or/and near the entrance. You just need to run to the other side. The radius of the blast doesn't eveng go all the way, it only covers like 3/4 of the room. You can do it!