Eng: End of Absolver HAVOC... / Rus: Конец Absolver HAVOC...

[�ηΆαz�]

Eng:

Hello People. Today, I decided to disband the Absolver HAVOC Steam Group.
For those who did not know, this group was created to revitalize the open world of Absolver, namely, to introduce the role segment into the game and this work can rightfully be considered a project.
Without boasting and doubt, I will say that at the moment this is the most unique existing group on the game.
After the creation of the group, our actions caused the appearance of at least minimum one opposing force and resonance thanks to our methods. Although radically, the advent of enthusiastic heroes was triggered. I have no doubt that many of my actions can alienate and cause discomfort, but I only tried to reproduce my image of a villain - a conqueror, who was supposed to cause negative emotions in you.
All this time alone (only once helped with the translation of the page) I improved and modified the group using the Steam mechanics, I was able to achieve the main goal when building the group, namely the maximum level of its automatism.
But having everything, an unfortunately the most decisive factor put an end to the future of the group, namely the lack of initiative in the community.
That is, the same people who so vehemently complained about the low level of content in the game, instead of demonstrating their creativity and trying to do something for the game, blamed only the developers, continuing to hope. The community’s desire to help the game was so “strong” that they did not even take the opportunity to improve the game on their own.
What can I say when even members of my group cannot adhere to the foundation - the laws of Absolver HAVOC.
This greatly disappointed me, so I decided to conduct a test for group members:
Until June 1, they need to gather enough new members so that the total number of group members as a result is not less than 100 people. And if they fail, I will destroy what I created and dissolve Absolver HAVOC.
Who needs a slowly dying group - an engine without energy?
I'm not a fool, and I know that at the moment a lot of players have returned to Absolver, which means that if the group does not have 100 members, the community does not need Absolver HAVOC, and I will make any decision.
So rejoice at who really wanted to get rid of my group and do not forget that you kill the game with your inaction.

Rus:

Здравствуйте стражи сущности. Сегожня я принял решение расформировать стим группу Absolver HAVOC.
Для тех кто не знал, эта группа была созданна для оживления открытого мира Absolver, а именно для внедрения ролевого сегмента в игру и эту работу по праву можно считать проектом.
Без хвастовства и сомнения скажу, что на данный момент это самая уникальная существующая группа по игре.
После создания группы, наши действия служили причиной возникновения как минимум одной противоборствуйщей нам силе, так же наши действия вызвали резонанс из-за наших методов, что послужило причиной воодушивления на подвиги героев - защитников слабых (это было очень забавно и взбодрило многих игроков). Не сомневаюсь, что мои действия многих могли оттолкнуть и доставить дискомфорт, но я лишь пытался играть свой образ злодея - завоевателя, который должен был вызвать у вас негативные эмоции.
Всё это время, в одиночку (лишь раз помогли с переводом страници) я улучшал и модифицировал группу используя механики стима, мне удалось достичь главной цели в конструировании группы, а именно максимального уровня её автоматизма.
Но имея всё, крест на будущем группы поставил к сожалению самый решающий фактор, а именно отсутствие инициативы у комьюнити.
То есть те самые люди, которые так яро жаловались на низкий уровень контента в игре, вместо того чтобы проявить свою креативность и попытаться сделать что нибудь для игры, лишь обвиняли во всём разработчиков дожидаясь от них чуда. Желание комьюнити помочь игре было на столько "сильным", что они, даже возможностью весело проводить время не воспользовались. Да что уж говорить, когда члены моей группы не способны придерживаться фундамента - кодекса Absolver HAVOC.
Меня это сильно разочаровало, по этому я принял решение провести испытание для членов группы:
до 1 июня, им необходимо собрать не менше 100 человек в группе. И если они не справятся, я разрушу то, что создал и расформирую Absolver HAVOC.
Кому нужна медленно умирающая группа - двигатель без тоалива?
Я не глупый и знаю, что в данный момент не малое колличество игроков вернулись в Absolver, а это значит, что если у группы не будет 100 участников, то комьюнити не нуждается в группе Absolver HAVOC и я приму любое их решение.
По этому радуйтесь те, кто действительно хотел избавиться от моей группы и не забывайте, что убиваете игру своим бездействием.

[Mister Lizard]

(TL:DR)
HAVOC is a very antagonistic group that kills and doesn't revive anyone in the group and foregoes all respect to be the villain to provoke other players in being more active by example: making "heroes" out of bystanders and offering something more unique to the free-roam (which may or may not be an excuse to be a jerk, but who knows).
(/TL:DR)

The problem though is that Nitaz is extremely self-rightous and by the end of his post (specifically the final sentence) asserts that wanting his group to end means we're doing nothing to help promote Absolver... which is wrong.

But asides from that, aggressive players do shake up the game... Sadly I have bad experience with them. I had two friends quit because of aggressive players and my cousin nearly did it too but stuck around just to finish the campaign. We never even did Downfall.

I got one other person to buy the game though during the free weekend. Hopefully he has a better experience than the others I tried to get in.

[JohnyThos7]

Now I get where Felipascal/Vangelis came from

[�ηΆαz�]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mister Lizard:

(TL:DR)
HAVOC is a very antagonistic group that kills and doesn't revive anyone in the group and foregoes all respect to be the villain to provoke other players in being more active by example: making "heroes" out of bystanders and offering something more unique to the free-roam (which may or may not be an excuse to be a jerk, but who knows).
(/TL:DR)

The problem though is that Nitaz is extremely self-rightous and by the end of his post (specifically the final sentence) asserts that wanting his group to end means we're doing nothing to help promote Absolver... which is wrong.

But asides from that, aggressive players do shake up the game... Sadly I have bad experience with them. I had two friends quit because of aggressive players and my cousin nearly did it too but stuck around just to finish the campaign. We never even did Downfall.

I got one other person to buy the game though during the free weekend. Hopefully he has a better experience than the others I tried to get in.

You are too aggressive for a peacemaker, you would really like my place.
What can unite people stronger than a common enemy, answer me? It feels like you were hurt badly because of us. Sorry to humiliate you and not help you get up; Walking through the swamp was your mistake. Most likely, I did it, because who, if not the one who came up with the HAVOC laws, should comply with them?
You think very narrowly to understand our methods.
I will wait for those who are able to understand different points of view.

[Mister Lizard]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από �ηΆαz�:

You are too aggressive for a peacemaker, you would really like my place.
What can unite people stronger than a common enemy, answer me? It feels like you were hurt badly because of us. Sorry to humiliate you and not help you get up; Walking through the swamp was your mistake. Most likely, I did it, because who, if not the one who came up with the HAVOC laws, should comply with them?
You think very narrowly to understand our methods.
I will wait for those who are able to understand different points of view.

I never said I didn't want you guys to be around. I also don't think I ever met anyone from your group. If I did, I ignored them (or you) because they were fighting someone else... and also because I don't play this game as much as other people.

The only person here being narrow is you because you fail to see that I never gave a specific answer. You just assume I'm angry at players like you because I had a couple of bad experiences. What I'm actually angry about is how you assume that everyone who wants your group to end isn't doing anything to help Absolver because that's a lie. There are more ways than one to keep a game alive. That's why I was being aggressive. I'm not saying your way is wrong.

I understand why you made your group and I do like it... regardless of your other opinions. There's just something beautiful about a highly antagonistic group even if the reasons are bad because they still evoke the same things out of the community which you've already pointed out.

From my experience in the community, everyone is so worried about whether or not they're being too rude when using powers in fights and somewhat treat fighting people randomly in the campaign as taboo.. but if everyone were so kind, I think the game would be a little too uniform and kind of boring to run through.

[�ηΆαz�]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mister Lizard:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από �ηΆαz�:

You are too aggressive for a peacemaker, you would really like my place.
What can unite people stronger than a common enemy, answer me? It feels like you were hurt badly because of us. Sorry to humiliate you and not help you get up; Walking through the swamp was your mistake. Most likely, I did it, because who, if not the one who came up with the HAVOC laws, should comply with them?
You think very narrowly to understand our methods.
I will wait for those who are able to understand different points of view.

I never said I didn't want you guys to be around. I also don't think I ever met anyone from your group. If I did, I ignored them (or you) because they were fighting someone else... and also because I don't play this game as much as other people.

The only person here being narrow is you because you fail to see that I never gave a specific answer. You just assume I'm angry at players like you because I had a couple of bad experiences. What I'm actually angry about is how you assume that everyone who wants your group to end isn't doing anything to help Absolver because that's a lie. There are more ways than one to keep a game alive. That's why I was being aggressive. I'm not saying your way is wrong.

I understand why you made your group and I do like it... regardless of your other opinions. There's just something beautiful about a highly antagonistic group even if the reasons are bad because they still evoke the same things out of the community which you've already pointed out.

From my experience in the community, everyone is so worried about whether or not they're being too rude when using powers in fights and somewhat treat fighting people randomly in the campaign as taboo.. but if everyone were so kind, I think the game would be a little too uniform and kind of boring to run through.

This discussion is a mistake.
I did not mean that those who do not support us are inactive and do not help the game. Most current players are inactive, including those who support us.
You see, I don’t know English at a good level and, it seems, was mistaken in making the sentence.
I wanted to say that the gaming community should take measures to rehabilitate it, and not rely on developers and other people in everything, because only together we are strong.
I apologize for my mistake.

[�ηΆαz�]

I like your opinion. I want other players to think the same way.

[Oske]

хоть бы ссылку на канал оставил.
Вообще только узнал про него. И 100 человек это 125% играющего населения сервера)

[�ηΆαz�]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Oske:

хоть бы ссылку на канал оставил.
Вообще только узнал про него. И 100 человек это 125% играющего населения сервера)

Если ты говоришь об Absolver HAVOC, то вот ссылка:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/AbsolverHAVOC
Не хотел навязывать группу и превращать Обсуждение в рекламу.
У нас в группе и так уже 70 человек, если добьют до 100 участников, то не удалю её.

[Trin]

lol good riddance.

[�ηΆαz�]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Trin:

lol good riddance.

What do you mean by that? I don't know your language well.

[obliviondoll]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από �ηΆαz�:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Trin:

lol good riddance.

What do you mean by that? I don't know your language well.

You say you "got rid" of something when a pest or other unwanted troublesome thing has been removed from your presence. The word "riddance" comes from the same root word, and "good riddance" is a form of "goodbye" which is intended to suggest that the person or thing it's being said about is unwanted.

Basically, it's a rude way to bid you farewell. I'm not sure I'd say it the same way, but at no point did I get the impression you were achieving the goals you espoused at the time OR the ones you're now claiming were your true goals all along.

[�ηΆαz�]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από obliviondoll:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από �ηΆαz�:

Thanks for the explanation.

I like the way you think. It’s true that my goals have changed more than once. I can only say for sure that I did not want to benefit (what is the group capable of in one unpopular game?).

I am surprised how much some players hate even the existence of my group. Most of them never met me in the open world (almost always, only I hunted), and even if they met, lost to me only a few times.
In fact, I did not get satisfaction from this process. Almost all novice players didn't even see me ( I avoided them), so as not to ruin their game. Why my would they bring something new to the gameplay if they weren’t even used to the old?

I don't like that in such an interesting world, there are so few stories to remember. Even from the history of Absolver, you can see that the world is going with the flow, waiting for a shake-up. Dedicated players with a kind of fanaticism want the game to remain unchanged, forgetting why it is now dying for. To some extent, even hating me is a success. I was able to partially influence the world of Absolver and create a new story.

[�ηΆαz�]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από obliviondoll:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από �ηΆαz�:

I wanted to ask. Maybe you are planning something or could you organize something?
The game community has known you for a long time and would listen to your ideas.