NERF THE TWINS!

[SaburewolfJR]

Is it just me or are the twins OP? I have literally beat all the bosses and challenges. The twins are the last ones left. And it isnt even Co-Op. I didnt even need any Co-Op until this fight, and now that i need a battle buddy i cant even complete the mission to get to the game mechanics i really want to play. Like Downfall. So much for that. nerf the twins!

[build researcher (derogatory)]

When you say you've beaten "all the bosses and challenges" I assume you mean you've beaten all six Marked Ones, and Kuretz, AND Jinn Mesca? Cuz after you beat Cargal & Kilnor you still have to fight Risryn, and honestly, while Cargal & Kilnor can be a bit aggravating, I still beat them within just a few tries on the character I made when I came back to this game after Downfall. Risryn took many more tries, and really took slowing down and being methodical about what I was doing. She gets reaaaally aggressive as well as really good at parrying when she's low on health, so you gotta stay cool.

As for HOW to beat C&K, I'm... not entirely sure. On my most recent time beating them (two or three days ago, re-fighting them to unlock another piece of armor), I think I focused down one of them pretty quickly, possibly with a sword, and then took my time carefully beating the other one (since I think the second one gets smarter after you kill the first one.) In general, I think the bosses are weakest to just learning their combos and punishing their combos with your class ability. Especially once they get low on health and start parrying better (I don't remember if C&K parry or absorb or what), countering their combos with your ability becomes almost the only way to hurt them.

[Cinderpalm]

Once it goes to 1v1 then the one left gets more agressive and becomes better at using their defensive skill. I went hard on Kilnor first as her windfall felt more annoying when 1v1. Try to avoid splitting damage, if you split damage evenly on them then they might both pull swords on you at about 40-50% hp which just makes life harder.

I honestly just had one of my stances set to a couple breaking attacks specifically for Cargal that looped on itself when he was the last one. The other stance I had was loaded with charge attacks and break attacks in case he get me stuck in a combo of some kind. Don't panic about your hp too much if its getting low and one of them are as well, defeating one of them gets you a very large amount of hp.

Just in case I've got the names wrong, the male is Kahlt (Absorb) and the female is Windfall (Avoid). I made sure to take out the windfall first and fight the Kahlt 1v1.

[SaburewolfJR]

Omg this is awesome. Thanks for the advice. I try to look stuff up as a last resort. So getting into this game brand new is difficult since I didn't look up any explanation what so ever about the game. Just saw kung fu and was bought in right away. Community is pretty awesome too, I'm surprised it's not more broadcasted. Thanks again guys!

[build researcher (derogatory)]

Sure thing, guy. I help out newbies cuz this is a challenging game to get into and I really don't want it to die.

[obliviondoll]

Downfall update has made a few key fights - this being one of them - very notably more difficult for new players. It's really built to force you to be aware of the game mechanics and learn how to fight effectively, where before you just learned how to cheese multi-NPC fights.

The most important things to be aware of for this fight are:

-the two NPCs you're fighting coordinate. One is usually on attack, and the other on defense, to avoid friendly fire. There are occasional exceptions but it's rare they'll both press the attack, so you know when one turtles up to expect the other to try and hit you in the back.

-You can attack off-target without having to swap manually by holding a movement input in the direction of the other enemy. If you turned on the "switch target on attack" option this will cause you to auto-swap to the new target.

[Cason]

Use your defensive ability and you will win. You cant just hammer attack and expect to win.

[SaburewolfJR]

they could at least make the cutscene skippable. Just so discouraging not being able to enjoy the rest of the game when you get stuck at one part. Meh. whatever. Keep trying i guess. But i just dont get it. And my game has crashed 5 times since ive started. ugh.

[build researcher (derogatory)]

I coulda sworn the cutscene was skippable. Also, the game aaaaaaalmost never crashes for me. Maybe verify the integrity of your game files (in the Steam properties panel), or uh, get a better computer????????

Also coming back to this topic after having beaten C&K for the third time, I found an interesting... "exploit" when fighting them. This isn't related to beating them for the first time, but...

If you're fighting them during one of the "first three times," then killing one of the two gets you like 10,000 XP. That's a ton of XP. But after you've beaten them three times, killing each of them drops to granting something like 2,500 XP (I don't remember exactly but it was lower).

So you could kinda farm a bunch of XP if you DIDN'T kill them a second or third time and just kept fighting them to only kill one and then die/restart.

(Incidentally, the infinite re-fights against Kuretz give you 100 XP per pathetic-chump killed and 4,100 XP per Kuretz kill. And for further reference, orange-strength enemies seem to give 600-800 XP, weak red enemies usually give like... 400, and purples give like... 1,100? Marked ones give upwards of 2,500 I think but the exact value is different for different Marked Ones. I think I may have heard the one in Tower of Adal has the highest reward.)

(I've been trying to figure out a good XP farming strat for quickly getting crystals for rift disks for clothing for fashion. Of course, just doing Downfall runs works pretty darn well.)

[SaburewolfJR]

Not a big deal or anything. I just need to figure out this defensive windfall / stagger stuff. I may have to restart just to get the basics down of this game. It is REALLY different with keyboard and mouse. Im starting to get the hang of the controls so i dont want to switch over to a game controller, but i may just hit the restart and relearn everything with maybe an easier class or something.

[Cason]

I mean Khalt is easier in the sense its easier to use to ignore hitstun but its harder cus its pretty poop. If the other ones are too hard to get the hang of just practice and you'll be fine.

[obliviondoll]

On the XBox controller, pressing A skips the cutscenes after you've seen them the first time. It's X on the PS4 controller, and presumable F on keyboard, since that's the "interact" button.