A solution against hook campers

[Cerebral Daemon]

I would like to offer a solution to the hook camping problem we see in the game right now. I'll clarify, right away, that the reason I think hook camping needs to be fixed in some way is that it kills the fun for the victim quite easily, which in the long run just makes the game less fun for everyone involved.

The first step of my solution, would be to double the amount of time the sacrifice process takes when the killer is near the hook (don't know what's the distance of the heartbeats, but I'd say around that distance). That way, killers would have much more incentive to go hunt other survivors than remain close to the hooked one, since survivors would have plenty of time to work on generators if he stays near the hook. However, although that's a good incentive not to do it, that's not an actual solution by itself, in which case I would also implement the following condition. If the killer is close to the hook, if the victim is struggling and if the sacrifice's progress bar is below 10%, the progress bar stops going down as long as the killer remains too close. That way, it ensures that survivors will always have a chance to save their teammates on the first hooking, and maybe on the second too depending on whether the second stage of the sacrifice had started or not.

I'm open to any suggestion on this, that's my personal opinion on how I think we could get the hooks to not be camped anymore.

EDIT: This has turned into a debate more than anything else, join in if you want to.

[Talidan]

引用自 Nami May：

I just leave if they hook camp, I don't care what penalties they put in the full release, if someone does that it ruins the fun and point really, I will just leave. If you hook camp then you fail as the killer and I can't see it being fun to do in the first place, people will do anything to win or get points, it's rather sad, games are supposed to be for fun.

I don't care about everything else, even if I win or lose, just this one thing that ruins the game for me. Its even worse when the killers have that silent heartbeat offering.

The thrill of the game comes from being chased, hunted down, and not knowing whether you will survive or not, for the killers its chasing your prey, out smarting them, feeling achievement in a kill, not babysitting people on a hook for an easy kill.

Maybe it will be better in full release, when theres not so many free beta users from the free keys and such. Doesn't help playing with randoms either, you end up on the hook and 99% of the time you cannot rely on people to rescue you.

cry baby

[Shrub]

even with hok camping you can still get them off the hook, specially if the other victims work as a team, if fully healed you just have to be willing to take a hit for the team then get outta there

[Pappus]

While the best matches are those that have several successful unhooks for both the killer and the survivors it swiftly leads to lots of survivor escaping just as well.

No matter what the bloodpoints say the result for the killer will feel as a loss if e.g. all of them escape.

I would say a solution going into the right direction would be that the killer gets information from the survivor that is on the hook. Basically the survivor on the hook spews information on the last survivor he saw due to the torture.

From the killers perspective while it might not be optimal pointwise at least by camping you are ensuring you are doing something towards your victory. If you do not camp the hook and actually don't find anyone else while your victim is unhooked you literally just wasted time. It isn't like it is easy to find survivors in the first place so you might end up happy to even have one.

[Arch]

I have a solution for hook campers too, win the game very quickly if you're one of the other three.

As the killer, hook camping is a huge detriment to them. Smart survivors will scope out the hook then knock out a couple generators if they spot him.

If you're a smart killer anyway, you won't camp the hook anywhere visible, you'll stay out of sight and out of range as to not set off their alarms. I've killed entire teams this way.

I'd be grateful you are getting hook campers and not decent killers.

[Wyrtt]

引用自 Nami May：

I just leave if they hook camp, I don't care what penalties they put in the full release, if someone does that it ruins the fun and point really, I will just leave. If you hook camp then you fail as the killer and I can't see it being fun to do in the first place, people will do anything to win or get points, it's rather sad, games are supposed to be for fun.

I don't care about everything else, even if I win or lose, just this one thing that ruins the game for me. Its even worse when the killers have that silent heartbeat offering.

The thrill of the game comes from being chased, hunted down, and not knowing whether you will survive or not, for the killers its chasing your prey, out smarting them, feeling achievement in a kill, not babysitting people on a hook for an easy kill.

Maybe it will be better in full release, when theres not so many free beta users from the free keys and such. Doesn't help playing with randoms either, you end up on the hook and 99% of the time you cannot rely on people to rescue you.

you are ♥♥♥♥♥

[Inquisitor Kane]

Bought the Beta key yesterday for 1€. (Value level over 9000 :D) So far I am palying only the killer, trying to get him to level 5, see what happens. So as an unexerienced DbD killer I say:

Hook camping itself is not a problem. As soon as the survivors have half a brain, hook camping does not work at all.

Whenever I try hook camping, survivors tend to repair so many generators, that makes me feel stupid for camping. And they got an advantage, since usually they scatter and I see generators comming up on different sides of the map, confusing me as where to go next.

When I leave the victim there, they unhook themselves within next 3 seconds and run away. Or there is already another one who unhooks the victim within 1 second. Then they scatter in different directions and I have hard time deciding who to chase. Or the worst part - victim get unhooked, everybody flees and 1 more generator comes up. Very frustrating for killer.

For me personally points does not matter. I get points even for chasing, setting traps and such, so even if all 4 survivors escape, I get at least some points. Therefore I am focusing on the killing.

And since it feels like survivors have too many advantages over me (number advantage, 3rd person view, flashlight, unhooking that lasts 1 second, vaulting, team work, speed), hook camping is the only way how to get at least one kill. Sometimes, if they don't cooperate :D

[Kilo]

It's ALWAYS beneficial for the killer to camp the hook

Because It's win-win for the killer, when you hook one survivor the rest are gonna try and save him, so they won't be repairing Gens anyway

If they make no attempt to save the hooked survivor he's gonna think ♥♥♥♥ it and A. try to escape himself then B. not bother to hit spacebar, thus the killers hardly wasted any time atall

It's a win/win situation for the killer

[Defalt]

i dont understand the consept of calling it camping.....

the whole idea of the hook is to lure the foolish into a rescue operation for their fallen comrade and THUS get a hit or 2 in so you can maybe sound hunt them later and MOST LIKELY recatch your first fish and return it to the hook for a faster kill....

this isnt camping..... its statagy... take a friend and leave them in pain and in a trap someone will most likely come help them

i find it very suspicuous when i hook someone and suddenly all of the generators start backfiring off in the distance.... and whats that when i turn around LOOK GOT ANOTHER SURVIVOR cause they where trying to lure me away for 2 seconds to get the guy off the hook

there is no arguement here

anyone remember the movie predator? if your on that hook.... you are no longer the prey... but the bait.... deal with it and dont get caught next time

[Ћ Abomination Jones]

I think camping will be more fun, and more risky, once you can play as the Wraith. Since you can't detect it being nearby when it cloaks, who knows if it actually left or not?

[Defalt]

i feel like im gonna main wraith because its mechanics are so interesting

[Ashfelt]

Hook camping is viable for a number of reasons and has several counters to it; yes it is frustrating when you have a killer who sits there watching you slowly die but the pros and cons of doing so serve that point. A good team can take advantage and turn on multiple generators, players with the flashlight can blind the killer and rescue a hooked survivor, one person can act as bait while someone else rescues and the killer can be denied even more points by waiting to secure that kill. Not forgetting that the killer has a "stealth" perk which makes hook camping for potential victims even more viable and then there is the wraith killer which can easily use a hooked victim in conjunction with its abilities.

Also dont you think the killer has a handicap as it is with the hook rescue time being stupidly fast, survivors who can heal each other making it harder, toolbox users who disable nearly all the hooks etc. You can sit there and cry because you dont like a strategy and RQ ruining the game for both sides but dont for one second think that hook "camping" is some lame dishonorable act on the killers part to get a kill when it has a risk vs reward effect.

Nami May stay the hypocrisy is very strong with you and I hope everyone here does not have the misfortune of running into you in the game just to watch you RQ when you get hook "camped".

[Rabid Urko]

Yeah i can see hook camping getting tedious after a while.
Great fun for the killer, boring as ♥♥♥♥ for survivors.

[Defalt]

引用自 Urko：

Yeah i can see hook camping getting tedious after a while.
Great fun for the killer, boring as ♥♥♥♥ for survivors.

who cares? you dont HAVE to save him.... its not you up there.... if he wants to die faster he can struggle

he messed up and now he is on the hook.... if he didnt wanna be on the hook he wouldnt have messed up simple!

[Gendiin]

I have an issue with the answer "the others can get generators". Part of the game is trying to also save your fellow survivor. That response just makes the game ungodly linear plus since the people against any sort of hook fix are people who are against survivor communication theres no way to tell everyone "hey lets just get generators F*** that guy" and on the off chance hes NOT a hooker camper all he would have to do with your answer is just go to the next gen and leave the guy on the hook since "well those stupid survivors are tunnel visioning generators"

[Defalt]

引用自 Chili Suprise：

I have an issue with the answer "the others can get generators". Part of the game is trying to also save your fellow survivor. That response just makes the game ungodly linear plus since the people against any sort of hook fix are people who are against survivor communication theres no way to tell everyone "hey lets just get generators F*** that guy" and on the off chance hes NOT a hooker camper all he would have to do with your answer is just go to the next gen and leave the guy on the hook since "well those stupid survivors are tunnel visioning generators"

im fine with a voip as long as the killer can hear it with proximity

but if you end up on the hook thats your fault no one elses if they leave you for dead thats fine its part of the game save your own skin if it looks impossible to save his