Ice SP damage reduction

[lockedmind]

At which point in the damage calcs Ice SP damage reduction is used?
AFAIK damage calcs work like this:
We start with basic damage of the ability (like 300+90% of attack power)
Then we add up all percentage bonuses and reductions except armor/res (like +100% in still stance, 50% reduced damage in overcharge etc.)
Then we multiplicatively add armor/resistance
Then we multiplicatively add block or crit (if one or the other happens)
And after all that some last-step modifications are applied, like Iron Heart or Impulse Fields

At which point Ice SP enters the calculations? Leton can get something like -1600 damage reduction from his SP, but its usefulness depends on where exactly it is applied.

If it reduces basic damage then it is great.
If it is applied with increases and decreases it is meh.
If it is a last-step modifier then it can be good in a high-block build and useless in others.

[Professor Rappy]

Ice SP Reduction is the final flat reduction after armor reduction and block so its possible to get 0 dmg with high ice SP.

[TheGrouch]

Originally posted by Professor Rappy:

Ice SP Reduction is the final flat reduction after armor reduction and block so its possible to get 0 dmg with high ice SP.

Pretty sure that is not correct. Ice SP should be the opposite of Fire SP and that one acts like a normal flat damage increase.

So yeah it should be in the damage increases/decreases part of the equation. It also shows up there when enemies have it so I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

[Professor Rappy]

Scap my comment above its half decade ago.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/637648746242506784/1079645523327320084/image.png

Ice SP is pretty much a reduction before Armor reduction now weirdly enough doesnt let you to reduce dmg to 0 even with base damage under 600


https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/637648746242506784/1079649839933046824/image.png
Ice SP is quite useless atm especially with high modifier like Snipers

[lockedmind]

Originally posted by Professor Rappy:

Scap my comment above its half decade ago.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/637648746242506784/1079645523327320084/image.png

Ice SP is pretty much a reduction before Armor reduction now weirdly enough doesnt let you to reduce dmg to 0 even with base damage under 600


https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/637648746242506784/1079645523327320084/image.png
Ice SP is quite useless atm especially with high modifier like Snipers

A pity. All the +million% enemies make it useless there. At least as a post-block reduction it could be useful for Frost Fortress builds.

[Professor Rappy]

My bad it seems my 2nd image link is the same as the first here the real link
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/637648746242506784/1079649839933046824/image.png

[TheGrouch]

Originally posted by lockedmind:

Originally posted by Professor Rappy:

Scap my comment above its half decade ago.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/637648746242506784/1079645523327320084/image.png

Ice SP is pretty much a reduction before Armor reduction now weirdly enough doesnt let you to reduce dmg to 0 even with base damage under 600


https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/637648746242506784/1079645523327320084/image.png
Ice SP is quite useless atm especially with high modifier like Snipers

A pity. All the +million% enemies make it useless there. At least as a post-block reduction it could be useful for Frost Fortress builds.

If it was post other damage mitigations then it would be incredibly broken. Leton takes maybe 300 damage at most from most attacks so if you reduced that by say 500 then you would take 0 damage from nearly everything. It has to work the way it works right now.

[lockedmind]

Originally posted by TheGrouch91:

Originally posted by lockedmind:

A pity. All the +million% enemies make it useless there. At least as a post-block reduction it could be useful for Frost Fortress builds.

If it was post other damage mitigations then it would be incredibly broken. Leton takes maybe 300 damage at most from most attacks so if you reduced that by say 500 then you would take 0 damage from nearly everything. It has to work the way it works right now.

Wait, what? What kind of build for Leton has such damage mitigation? I mean, he has Frosty Fortress for blocking everything, but he lacks battlemages' Iron Heart to truly mitigate damage, doesn't he?

[TheGrouch]

Originally posted by lockedmind:

Originally posted by TheGrouch91:

If it was post other damage mitigations then it would be incredibly broken. Leton takes maybe 300 damage at most from most attacks so if you reduced that by say 500 then you would take 0 damage from nearly everything. It has to work the way it works right now.

Wait, what? What kind of build for Leton has such damage mitigation? I mean, he has Frosty Fortress for blocking everything, but he lacks battlemages' Iron Heart to truly mitigate damage, doesn't he?

Any build with Frosty Fortress takes very little damage. There's not much more to it. The set alone is 40% damage reduction. Against melee enemies you have Movement on Silence which basically halves all damage taken and most ranged enemies have very little damage increase so they won't deal more than 300 damage a hit. The only thing that can deal more is a Destron or if you get pummeled by thin clowns repeatedly.

Depending on what you wanna do with Leton you can also add Solitary Fighter or Phys Res III.

[lockedmind]

Originally posted by TheGrouch91:

Originally posted by lockedmind:

Wait, what? What kind of build for Leton has such damage mitigation? I mean, he has Frosty Fortress for blocking everything, but he lacks battlemages' Iron Heart to truly mitigate damage, doesn't he?

Any build with Frosty Fortress takes very little damage. There's not much more to it. The set alone is 40% damage reduction. Against melee enemies you have Movement on Silence which basically halves all damage taken and most ranged enemies have very little damage increase so they won't deal more than 300 damage a hit. The only thing that can deal more is a Destron or if you get pummeled by thin clowns repeatedly.

Depending on what you wanna do with Leton you can also add Solitary Fighter or Phys Res III.

Don't snipers have a lot of damage increase in their builds? And yeh, movement of silence is an incredible set.

[TheGrouch]

Originally posted by lockedmind:

Originally posted by TheGrouch91:

Any build with Frosty Fortress takes very little damage. There's not much more to it. The set alone is 40% damage reduction. Against melee enemies you have Movement on Silence which basically halves all damage taken and most ranged enemies have very little damage increase so they won't deal more than 300 damage a hit. The only thing that can deal more is a Destron or if you get pummeled by thin clowns repeatedly.

Depending on what you wanna do with Leton you can also add Solitary Fighter or Phys Res III.

Don't snipers have a lot of damage increase in their builds? And yeh, movement of silence is an incredible set.

They have pretty much 0. So Close, Yet So Far probably being the only one (idk if they even have that). What they do have is 100% damage when in Still Stance. But honestly they're so slow and they waste a turn with their target ability that they almost never get a still stance attack off.