TROUBLESHOOTER: Abandoned Children

TROUBLESHOOTER: Abandoned Children

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Are Bianca and Alisa gay?
I'm only a couple of missions in but these two are giving off some very queer vibes.
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Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:
Messaggio originale di Zeks:
I am not an expert on romance but to me it felt like they are just really close friends. Both Giselle/Jane and Bianca/Alisa.

In BIanca's case specifically, she's probably too jaded about how her life was arranged for her to really enter a relationship for some time.

Giselle and Jane are definitely friends. I've said in another thread that I suspect Alisa having a one-sided crush on Bianca, but is aware that it's a pipe-dream. Bianca is the sole heir of the Leblanc family and it'd be a huge scandal and the end of their bloodline if she entered a relationship with Alisa. Ramijist can ship them all he wants, Bianca will most likely enter a political marriage.

Considering her situation and past behavior, Bianca likely would prefer to die alone and unmarried (or married to the same sex, perhaps) out of sheer spite just to avoid a political marriage. Even in a same-sex marriage, adoption is an option and the child can inherit both the family name and the family fortunes; the scandal in an "old-blood" society like the one Bianca grew up in would be off the charts, though.
The game itself states at least 5 times, that Bianca and Alisa are best friends. I'm quite sure that the authors know better than any of the shippers.
Messaggio originale di Null Winter:
or married to the same sex
There was no sign at all that Valhalla and the world has same sex marriages, so no, Bianca "wouldn't" marry another woman.
Messaggio originale di biceps always together!!:
Don't make me tap the sign. https://i.imgur.com/BgZRaUH.jpg
Thank you, you're the thread ender.
Ultima modifica da Atma; 17 gen 2023, ore 3:48
Messaggio originale di Atma:
The game itself states at least 5 times, that Bianca and Alisa are best friends. I'm quite sure that the authors know better than any of the shippers.

Just to rain on your parade: my parents were best friends too. They're still happily married.
The psi stone merchant mistakes Sion and Heixing for a couple in one of her side dialogues, so same sex couples exist in setting. I can't think of a line of dialogue that mentions if they can get married, but the city is run by a malicious government that thinks nothing of killing thousands of its people, so outlawing it would fit with their idiom.
Preferences aside, there are TWO people in Bianca's life who are able to make her happy. One is Yuri Leblanc, the rebellious disowned uncle... the other is Alisa Ivanova. Whoever hopes to woo Bibi has high standards to meet.
Ultima modifica da The nameless Gamer; 17 gen 2023, ore 5:08
Messaggio originale di Atma:
The game itself states at least 5 times, that Bianca and Alisa are best friends. I'm quite sure that the authors know better than any of the shippers.
Messaggio originale di Null Winter:
or married to the same sex
There was no sign at all that Valhalla and the world has same sex marriages, so no, Bianca "wouldn't" marry another woman.

And they refuse to conclusively answer the question, because not answering is the safer option for a variety of reasons previously stated.

You're ignoring the other points I made to focus on one, as if that somehow dismisses the entire argument; the hypothetical marriage is less important than the mentioned fact that avoiding an arranged marriage is important to Bianca. And in a reverse of your argument, there is no definitive proof that "non-standard" marriages don't exist within the setting; an argument based on lack of evidence cuts both ways.

Messaggio originale di Atma:
Messaggio originale di biceps always together!!:
Don't make me tap the sign. https://i.imgur.com/BgZRaUH.jpg
Thank you, you're the thread ender.

Nah. The thread is still going strong. It's almost like a single person's opinion expressed via a dismissive, rude, and vaguely homophobic (in this context) copy/paste image can't definitively end idle debate or something!
Messaggio originale di Null Winter:
Messaggio originale di Atma:
The game itself states at least 5 times, that Bianca and Alisa are best friends. I'm quite sure that the authors know better than any of the shippers.

There was no sign at all that Valhalla and the world has same sex marriages, so no, Bianca "wouldn't" marry another woman.

And they refuse to conclusively answer the question, because not answering is the safer option for a variety of reasons previously stated.

You're ignoring the other points I made to focus on one, as if that somehow dismisses the entire argument; the hypothetical marriage is less important than the mentioned fact that avoiding an arranged marriage is important to Bianca. And in a reverse of your argument, there is no definitive proof that "non-standard" marriages don't exist within the setting; an argument based on lack of evidence cuts both ways.

Messaggio originale di Atma:

Thank you, you're the thread ender.

Nah. The thread is still going strong. It's almost like a single person's opinion expressed via a dismissive, rude, and vaguely homophobic (in this context) copy/paste image can't definitively end idle debate or something!

You might call it homophobic...but that doesn't mean it's wrong. It IS a common theme that when any two people of the same gender act friendly you WILL get shippers going insane over shoving forth the idea. Look at shows like Gundam Wing with Heero and Duo, Naruto with Naruto and Sasuke or DBZ with Goku and pretty much anyone.

It can go the way of hetero couples as well, but yuri and yaoi fans DO tend to come across a bit strong. The devs of this game seem to be focusing on leaving any romance options open for interpretation so as not to attract the wrong kind of attention. So pretty much anything goes. For all we know at the end there'll be a free for all orgy after Ann gets sent home early.
Messaggio originale di RyanEX2000:
You might call it homophobic...but that doesn't mean it's wrong. It IS a common theme that when any two people of the same gender act friendly you WILL get shippers going insane over shoving forth the idea. Look at shows like Gundam Wing with Heero and Duo, Naruto with Naruto and Sasuke or DBZ with Goku and pretty much anyone.

It can go the way of hetero couples as well, but yuri and yaoi fans DO tend to come across a bit strong. The devs of this game seem to be focusing on leaving any romance options open for interpretation so as not to attract the wrong kind of attention. So pretty much anything goes. For all we know at the end there'll be a free for all orgy after Ann gets sent home early.

Well, nobody here is rabidly shipping Alisa and Bianca. It's more of an honest question given the depth of their relationship and the subtext delivered in the literal bond in-game mechanic between them as well as Ramijist's perception of them. And there's another potential hint during the "Ride on the tiger's back" mission. If either of them falls within the other's line of sight, they enter a Rage state.

Their relationship can be compared to Kylie's and Ryo's, but they never truly overcame the duty and hierarchy which separated them. There isn't even as much as subtext hinting at something romantic between them, despite the depth and length of their friendship.

And then there's Jane and Giselle. Yet another firm and long friendship... but a complete absence of intimate vibes.
If there is no clear evidence of it then you'd have to assume the most neutral stance possible and that would be a strong friendship. Everything else is wishful thinking. But since Dandy has clearly avoided romance at all cost it does not really matter anyway. It hasn't affected the story so far so everyone can think whatever they want. The whole discussion about it is pretty pointless though. The only reasonable answer anyone could give is "we don't know".
Ultima modifica da TheGrouch; 17 gen 2023, ore 15:31
Messaggio originale di TheGrouch91:
But since Dandy has clearly avoided romance at all cost

At the age of the characters, no romantic feelings whatsoever is literally unnatural though. It is quite the immersion breaker when a 20-year old person is already married to their work.
Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:
Messaggio originale di TheGrouch91:
But since Dandy has clearly avoided romance at all cost

At the age of the characters, no romantic feelings whatsoever is literally unnatural though. It is quite the immersion breaker when a 20-year old person is already married to their work.
I find it funny that when you bring up real life logic to question other things you will often hear the argument "it's magical fantasy land, your logic does not apply". But then at the same time people try to use real life logic to interpret other things.

Wasn't a response to you personally btw. Just an anectodal thing that I personally experienced and makes having discussions about this kinda stuff quite difficult.

But be that as it may, we don't know what our characters do in their free time. They clearly have other friends like can be seen with Anne and Irene knows other people too so maybe they have romantic relationships too that we don't know of. It's all speculation though and in the end it does not matter. It is also not nearly as immersion breaking as other things I think. People have just this desire to have romantic relationships in their story and try to ship people at all cost.
Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:
Messaggio originale di TheGrouch91:
But since Dandy has clearly avoided romance at all cost

At the age of the characters, no romantic feelings whatsoever is literally unnatural though. It is quite the immersion breaker when a 20-year old person is already married to their work.

Well they have avoided giving us but the barest of bones of what drives Albus forward.
We know his "Aunt Lily" is someone possibly involved in some sketchy goings ons in the local government.
He wants access to some file that requires a high rank and takes jobs that give him the best shot at quickly raising said rank.
He is somehow connected to one of Sion's brothers.

This is pretty much all we know, other than the expected fluff about him being a diamond in the rough that Giselle in particular was.is hoping to use in some personal vendetta.



Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:
Messaggio originale di RyanEX2000:
You might call it homophobic...but that doesn't mean it's wrong. It IS a common theme that when any two people of the same gender act friendly you WILL get shippers going insane over shoving forth the idea. Look at shows like Gundam Wing with Heero and Duo, Naruto with Naruto and Sasuke or DBZ with Goku and pretty much anyone.

It can go the way of hetero couples as well, but yuri and yaoi fans DO tend to come across a bit strong. The devs of this game seem to be focusing on leaving any romance options open for interpretation so as not to attract the wrong kind of attention. So pretty much anything goes. For all we know at the end there'll be a free for all orgy after Ann gets sent home early.

Well, nobody here is rabidly shipping Alisa and Bianca. It's more of an honest question given the depth of their relationship and the subtext delivered in the literal bond in-game mechanic between them as well as Ramijist's perception of them. And there's another potential hint during the "Ride on the tiger's back" mission. If either of them falls within the other's line of sight, they enter a Rage state.

Their relationship can be compared to Kylie's and Ryo's, but they never truly overcame the duty and hierarchy which separated them. There isn't even as much as subtext hinting at something romantic between them, despite the depth and length of their friendship.

And then there's Jane and Giselle. Yet another firm and long friendship... but a complete absence of intimate vibes.

Am aware no one's gone off the deep end yet. The thread would've gotten actually, and genuinely, toxic if that was the case.

As for what we've been shown of their relationship...as far as I can tell, and correct me if I'm mistaken, but they both appear to be the other's first genuine and actual friend. Bianca's only positive reference to her past is Ramjist, her uncle, and meeting Giselle, which she could've had a childhood crush on. In none of Alisa's flashbacks does she ever talk about friends before or after she gets "adopted".

It's all about perception and presentation. Ray asks Kylie if Ryo is her "one and only" and she stays quiet, as if affirming. But up to that point I was of the opinion there might've been something between her and Heixing due to how they interact and his defense of her after Ray learns who she really is.
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Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:

Well, nobody here is rabidly shipping Alisa and Bianca. It's more of an honest question given the depth of their relationship and the subtext delivered in the literal bond in-game mechanic between them as well as Ramijist's perception of them. And there's another potential hint during the "Ride on the tiger's back" mission. If either of them falls within the other's line of sight, they enter a Rage state.

Their relationship can be compared to Kylie's and Ryo's, but they never truly overcame the duty and hierarchy which separated them. There isn't even as much as subtext hinting at something romantic between them, despite the depth and length of their friendship.

And then there's Jane and Giselle. Yet another firm and long friendship... but a complete absence of intimate vibes.

As for what we've been shown of their relationship...as far as I can tell, and correct me if I'm mistaken, but they both appear to be the other's first genuine and actual friend. Bianca's only positive reference to her past is Ramjist, her uncle, and meeting Giselle, which she could've had a childhood crush on. In none of Alisa's flashbacks does she ever talk about friends before or after she gets "adopted".

It's all about perception and presentation. Ray asks Kylie if Ryo is her "one and only" and she stays quiet, as if affirming. But up to that point I was of the opinion there might've been something between her and Heixing due to how they interact and his defense of her after Ray learns who she really is.

You are right about Alisa being Bianca's first friend not counting Yuri. But Alisa wasn't kept in a gilded cage as Bianca after the adoption by Ilya. She possibly/likely made friends during the time with him as well as during her work at Brynhildr. Though none of them are mentioned, so whether she had any is up to guessing. Also, her relationship with Bianca started off badly, with Bibi ruining Alisa's plans for fishing. Ultimately, from my POV, we can at most speak about a friendship with potential to turn into a romance. They are definitely drawn to each other, but the conveniently placed class gap between them makes it hard to determine in what way.
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