Why aren't Naples, Burgundy, and Florence playabe factions?

[Pathfinder]

I know Burgundy was an emerging faction in the first Medieval why wasn't it added on? Or Florence and Naples they were both important places during the Medieval timeline.

[Shadow of the SPQR]

CA cut pretty much all of the minor factions.

[CHE]

Originally posted by Pathfinder82:

I know Burgundy was an emerging faction in the first Medieval why wasn't it added on? Or Florence and Naples they were both important places during the Medieval timeline.

I agree about Florence and Burgundy. As for Naples, it is part of Sicily in this game.

[One Sun Mirror]

I think it's probably because that area of the map is already pretty heavy-on with factions. If another faction was going to be added, I'd say put in Kiev, the Cumans or Georgians. Possibly even some kind of dynamic Crusader States faction.

Re-ermegent factions are sadly not as viable in this game, as even if they were to rise up, they might not necessarily besiege your cities (like the regular rebels that turn up). Revolts in Medieval II just aren't nearly as worrying.

[Darth Cannabis]

Originally posted by CHE:

Originally posted by Pathfinder82:

I know Burgundy was an emerging faction in the first Medieval why wasn't it added on? Or Florence and Naples they were both important places during the Medieval timeline.

I agree about Florence and Burgundy. As for Naples, it is part of Sicily in this game.

Well if you scroll over some of the rebel settlements around france, on the details of them, several town have burgundian rebels. So burgundy is technically part of rebel faction. In fact most of the random rebels that pop up, in French territory will actually be labeled as burgundian rebels. (as opposed to greek rebels, or any other).

Florence is simply too surrounded to make its own faction. With Milan and HRE to the north, Venice to the east, and Rome (Papal States) immediately to the south there is simply nowhere to expand too early in an allready overpopulated by factions area. Then when you look more closely, there are allready 3 Italian factions in game.

Overall I feel they wanted to stick with factions, that eventually made it too modern nations. Italy, the Moors and the Byzantines exceptions.

They seem to stick the Byzantines as the nation that eventually becomes modern Greece with this line of thinking, while Italy is decided as who is left between Milan, Venice and Sicily. The Moors eventually become various North African nations.

Every other faction simply remains to become its modern equivelent. The HRE eventually becomes Germany, and all others simply keep thier same name to modern times.

[[TUUONCUOGB]BothChicken]

The game starts at around 1000, at this time Naples was conquered by the Norman Kingdom of Sicily. As is the game is pretty non-historical because I'm guessing it just wouldn't live up to the actual history. Just play Empire or Rome II and you'll see issues with too many nations i.e. too much waiting in between turns for factions which don't do anything. There are things I wished they did, like instead of giving Portugal Pampolona, a province they historically never had, split up modern day Portugal into a northern province centered around the city of Portu (which the name Portugal comes from) and a southern province centered around the city of Lisbon.

But why is Milan in the game? I can't find historical sources on them anywhere other than ones whichs state that it was a free city. I feel like Genoa would've been a better choice in the same area.

[Ratselhaft]

Milan would be in the game for this reason I believe:-

"......Gian Galeazzo (one of the Dukes of Milan 1351 - 1402) had dreams of uniting all of northern Italy into one kingdom, a revived Lombard empire. The obstacles to his success included Bologna and especially Florence. In 1402, Gian Galeazzo launched assaults upon these cities. The warfare was extremely costly on both sides, but it was universally believed the Milanese would emerge victorious. The Florentine leaders, especially the chancellor Coluccio Salutati worked successfully to rally the people of Florence, but the Florentines were being taxed hard by famine, disease, and poverty. Galeazzo won another victory over the Bolognese at the Battle of Casalecchio on 26 June 1402.

Galeazzo's dreams were to come to naught, however, as he succumbed to a fever at the castello of Melegnano on 10 August 1402. He died on 3 September. His empire fragmented as infighting among his successors wrecked Milan, partly through his division of his lands among both legitimate and illegitimate heirs."

Gian Galeazzo also threatened war with France at one point.