Mailed Knight Vs Feudal Knight in Early Fortress

[Ashina]

do you guys quickly ditch the Mailed Knight in favor of the Feudal Knight when you get to the Fortress?

Sure, the Mailed Knight is Weaker than the Feudal Knight although its only in Armor, since Mailed Knight uses Light Mail(5 Armor), while the Feudal Knight uses Heavy Mail(7 Armor), but the Mailed Knight armor can be upgraded into Heavy Mail, even though the stats still thinks they only have 6 Armor, they actually have 7(if you don't believe me, try fighting a Gold Armor Spearmilitia Vs Italian Spear Militia, and see that the 3 Armor the Spear Militia have is a Lie).

I even done some testing in Normal Difficulty vs Scottish Noble Sword
Noble Sword Vs Mailed Knights with Bronze Armor, Noble Swords win with 81 men left
Noble Sword Vs Feudal Knights, Noble Swords Win with 82 men left

I know that Feudal Knight armor can be upgraded to Partial Plates
Sure, the Mailed Knight is Weaker than the Feudal Knight although its only in Armor, since Mailed Knight uses Light Mail(5 Armor), while the Feudal Knight uses Heavy Mail(7 Armor), but the Mailed Knight armor can be upgraded into Heavy Mail, even though the stats still thinks they only have 6 Armor, they actually have 7(if you don't believe me, try fighting a Gold Armor Spearmilitia Vs Italian Spear Militia, and see that the 3 Armor the Spear Militia have is a Lie, and it's actually 7 Armor).

I even done some testing in Normal Difficulty vs Scottish Noble Sword
Noble Sword Vs Mailed Knights with Bronze Armor, Noble Swords win with 81 men left
Noble Sword Vs Feudal Knights, Noble Swords Win with 82 men left

I know that Feudal Knight armor can be upgraded to Partial Plates, but it's just turning that 7 armor to 8 Armor, which isn't much to be honest.

[Inardesco]

Does it matter? They both do the killing if used properly

[Ashina]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Does it matter? They both do the killing if used properly

Cost and availability
Mailed Knights is already available from the Castle, and the Second Tier Stables.
Which at a Castle Level would have like 0.9 Replenishment and 7 Max Knights Available/Region
0.4 Replenishment 3 Max from the Castle, and 0.5 Replenishment 4 Max from the Knight Stables

at Fortress Level, at best you will have like 1.1 Replenishment 9 Max Mailed Knights Available
Baron Stables produce 0.7 Mailed Knights/ turn and have 6 Max

Feudal Knights at Fortress level have like the same production as Mailed Knights in Castle at full, 0.9 Replenishment and 7 Max, but remember that you also need to upgrade your stables, and the Feudal Knight are slightly more Expensive than Mailed Knight (50 More Florins)

[Dreagon]

I ditch the mailed knight as quickly as possible. Feudal knights are simply better in all aspects except recruitment cost. In the very early stages you may have a little trouble with feudal knights replenishment but a little later you can easily recruit them in pretty much every castle you conquer. It's also why I prefer using them over the cavalry you get at the citadel level.

[Ashur_Arbaces]

I think I already went over the armour thing in one of your previous posts each individual armour upgrade gives around +2 armour no matter the upgrade.

As for mailed knights vs feudal knights. I never bother with feudal knights. They're not as readily available as mailed knights and the +2 increase in armour and +0.25 increase in mass (check the descr_mount file for this) don't make up for the loss of speed. Mailed knights having unarmoured horses move significantly faster when galloping around than the barded horses of the feudal knights.

[Ashina]

Originally posted by Dreagon:

I ditch the mailed knight as quickly as possible. Feudal knights are simply better in all aspects except recruitment cost. In the very early stages you may have a little trouble with feudal knights replenishment but a little later you can easily recruit them in pretty much every castle you conquer. It's also why I prefer using them over the cavalry you get at the citadel level.

By Every Aspect, what does it means other than the Partial Plate Armor upgrade?
I looked at their stats, even going into the files, and they literally have the same stats, the only different stats are their Armor, and Discipline level
Mailed Knight have 5 Armor due to having Light Mail, while Feudal Knight start with 7 Armor due to Heavy Mail.
Mailed Knight have Low Discipline, while Feudal Knight have impeitous Discipline.

[Ashina]

Originally posted by Ashur_Arbaces:

I think I already went over the armour thing in one of your previous posts each individual armour upgrade gives around +2 armour no matter the upgrade.

As for mailed knights vs feudal knights. I never bother with Feudal knights most of the time. They're not as readily available as mailed knights and the +2 increase in armour and +0.25 increase in mass (check the descr_mount file for this) don't make up for the loss of speed. Mailed knights having unarmoured horses move significantly faster when galloping around than the barded horses of the feudal knights.

ah thank you, more stuff I can learn from the game.
so, having more mass, does that means Feudal Knights have more charging power or pushing power?

[Ashur_Arbaces]

Originally posted by Dreagon:

Feudal knights are simply better in all aspects except recruitment cost.

Mailed knights are significantly faster than feudal knights when galloping and for aspects that aren't armour, mass or discipline level there're no noticeable differences.

[Inardesco]

The armour means nothing. Theres much more than simply armour that matters. Theres also morale and other variables, like higher mass and mount defence that is taken into effect.

Besides, if you have to worry about 50 gold per turn your economy is rubbish.

Like I said, in the end it doesnt matter since both serve the same purpose and both fulfill that purpose with ease

[Ashur_Arbaces]

Originally posted by Ashina:

ah thank you, more stuff I can learn from the game.
so, having more mass, does that means Feudal Knights have more charging power or pushing power?

Higher mass --> more charging/pushing power but an increase of 0.25 isn't that big and there're other factors like speed, the attack of the lance, the charge stat of the lance and maybe (not sure about this one, never tested or researched it) the type of lance.

[Inardesco]

There are no different lances when you break it down to pure number. The lance is just a model.

In the files its named as a spear with an attack and charge stat.

[Ashur_Arbaces]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

There are no different lances when you break it down to pure number. The lance is just a model.

In the files its named as a spear with an attack and charge stat.

Melee weapons can have different combat ranges though (like halberds) or have different animations.

[Poqreslux]

I never really switch over to one unit that replaces the other and start using them exclusively. For instance, when feudal knights become available, I'll use them in tandem with mailed knights for quite a while. Usually its only by the time I get late tier cavalry like chivalric knights that mailed knights are phased out from my armies completely.

I do the same thing with infantry too. I won't completely shift from dismounted fk to dismounted ck and use both of them in my armies for the majority of the game. I usually do it this way because it lets me recruit and put together armies faster: recruiting mailed knights in a castle and feudal in a fortress on the same turn, that way I can have my cavalry squadron ready on the same turn. Also helps for when you want 3 or 4 cavalry, and only 1 feudal knights is available. Of course I'm going to recruit mailed knights to supplement them.

[𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀]

Jinetes or Polish nobles.

[Ashina]

Originally posted by Tea ❀:

Jinetes or Polish nobles. :avalonlongbow:

Jinetes is faster.
Polish Nobles needs more Polish, especially Dismounted Polish nobles are super Meh for me