Europa B 2 or Rome 2

[Teabags]

Ive played total war since the first Rome, but i struggle with trying to get into the later total war games post shogun 2, i liked warhammer but i prefer history, Rome 2 is just an arena honestly, for some time its crap, then its alright, then its crap again, everytime i come back to this amazing game, for no matter how mant times the newer fans call it dated, i don't care how old it is, if the gamplay is amazing, it will last a lifetime, so what do you think in terms of gameplay, EB2 or Rome 2.

[Hellsteeth30]

Never played Rome 2, as I'm not sure this potato will run it. Runs Shogun 2 just fine though, I don't think there's much difference in hardware requirements. It'd have to get REALLY cheap though and be in complete form. So maybe a while before I play it.

Europa Barborum however, is rather good. So yeah, do that one. Like MTW 2 but with Romans instead.

[Gigantus]

If you are into role play or strategy then EBII is your mod. If you want an arcade style, pretty graphic game, then go for R2

[Gekkibi]

EB 2, if you're able to follow the mod's EULA. Here it is in its entirety: "Upon using the mod, you agree to read more history."

If you can't accept that then Rome 2 and crayons.

[Teabags]

Thanks dudes for the reply's, in conclusion, thanks to the suggestions, EB2 is the better, as you said simply by the sheer strategic and mechanial offerings the mod has over Rome 2, arcade is not the style to build an empire, cheers

[Gekkibi]

This is also the perfect moment to jump into EB2 because 2.35 patch rolled out earlier this week.
(non-beta-build patches don't come out that often. If I remember correctly, the previous patch (2.3) was released about 1.5 years ago)

[ChaosKhan]

I think Rome 2 with Divide et Impera mod actually feels historical enough so that I don't miss Europa Barbarorum. Although I've played the hell out of Medieval 2 back in the days, the glitches, bugs, dated graphics and some old features hamper the gameplay when compared to the newer TW releases.
Rome 2 has far better diplomacy all around.
Alliances actually are worth something...
It also feels a lot more alive due to the multitude of factions in the game. Naval battles, even though not this good, are still pretty fun at times and naval landings give sieges a wholly new dimension.
The AI is better on the strategic map and on the battlefield no matter how you look at it and the agents are far better designed than in Med 2.
"Research" and politics give you a feeling of progression beyond the simple "coloring the map in your color", progression...

Some stuff is obviously worse, like the province system with no walls to all settlements except the provinde capital and the limited slots for building which places emphasis on keeping the balance instead of building up the settlement freely.
There is also the problem that Rome 2 has a complete stack system where troops can only be recruited and moved by a general, of which you can recruit only a capped number depending on your empire size. On the other hand, when compared to Shogun 2 or Empire, there are no buildings which you can rade with small units to impact the enemies economy anyway, so it actually sounds worse than it is in reality.

Nonetheless, I consider Rome 2 with DeI to be overall an upgrade when compared to EB2. The devs are also still working on the game, which means, that it will get more polish and content in the future while Med 2 is basically abandonware. Medieval 2 was a masterpiece and while it still has a few outstanding features, more of them are sadly outdated, bugged and were never fixed to an acceptable degree. Therefore, if you have the pocket money, I suggest you to grab Rome 2 with a few DLCs that you are interested in on a sale. Just make full use of the 2 hour trial time on Steam and don't bother playing vanilla. Get the game and get Divide et Impera before you make your first launch to get as historical of an expirience as you can with the game. (Because vanilla might actually make you sick enough to demand a refund after the first battle...) If you don't like it anyway, just refund. You won't lose any money and you'll have your answer.

[Inardesco]

EB2

[Lebhleb]

Originally posted by Gekkibi:

This is also the perfect moment to jump into EB2 because 2.35 patch rolled out earlier this week.
(non-beta-build patches don't come out that often. If I remember correctly, the previous patch (2.3) was released about 1.5 years ago)

Wait really? I just got bloody 2.3 like 2 weeks ago
But anyway to the topic, ive not had much time of playing the mod itself only custom battles, 1 to 2 min waiting beetwen turns [actually kinda fixed most of it but i think i ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up something wtih instalation since still sometimes can be up to 5 min]

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by Lebhleb:

Originally posted by Gekkibi:

This is also the perfect moment to jump into EB2 because 2.35 patch rolled out earlier this week.
(non-beta-build patches don't come out that often. If I remember correctly, the previous patch (2.3) was released about 1.5 years ago)

Wait really? I just got bloody 2.3 like 2 weeks ago
But anyway to the topic, ive not had much time of playing the mod itself only custom battles, 1 to 2 min waiting beetwen turns [actually kinda fixed most of it but i think i ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up something wtih instalation since still sometimes can be up to 5 min]

Some on TWC forums were saying that the loading times got significantly better in 2.35 compared to 2.3, so you might want to test it out.

[Lebhleb]

ill prob try it tommorow, i kinda hope it will be at least 30 sec since thats most i can take really [in Shogun 2 i take 30 to 60 sec but dunno, feels kinda natural to me even tough something like that would annoy me in EB 2] tough ill be happy even if its a tiny bit better, but besides me complaining about that did they add anything new to it?

[Gekkibi]

Changelog can be found here[www.twcenter.net]. Nothing extraordinary awesomesauce (for example no new factions), but it's still a significant improvement.

[Lebhleb]

Well, might as well upgrade, wouldn't see why not.

[Gigantus]

Turntimes is usually dependant on the campaign script - EBII's is pretty complex but it got significantly cleaned up for 2.35

[Teabags]

i played rome 2 and medieval 2 for hundreds of hours, even with DEI which is an amazing mod, i have trouble getting into Rome 2, even with all the new mechanics it feels still a bit lac luster compared to the older games, i want to get into Rome 2 but i just can't, you guys know what i mean?

[Inardesco]

Rome 2 gets boring on the campaign map real quick and the battles just lack the oomph of the battles in Med2.