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SYXZ Nov 21, 2018 @ 8:12am
What makes this a "Definitive Edition"
Like whats new in this. Graphically speaking, the game seems identical and unchanged.
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Gunther von Rittersburg Nov 21, 2018 @ 8:13am 
You get the DLC and base game all-in-one. Whatever made anyone think this was a full update with improved graphics,Ai, updated for modern PCs? Just read the official announcement post!
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SYXZ Nov 21, 2018 @ 8:17am 
Thanks. It's just the name "Definitive Edition" makes it sound like a remaster. I think thats where the confusion comes from.
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Jerubius Nov 21, 2018 @ 9:12am 
Originally posted by SYXZ:
Thanks. It's just the name "Definitive Edition" makes it sound like a remaster. I think thats where the confusion comes from.
Well, the definitive edition is basically just the best official version out there. So the game with all of its additional content in a single package definitely fits that. A lot of games pack additional content or graphics tweaks into a definitive edition, but that's not necessary. With movies it usually means adding scenes cut from the original release for time back into it.

The real problem is that when it comes to games, phrases like definitive edition, remastered, alpha, beta, and so forth are just buzzwords used to sell more copies. What they actually mean, what most people think they mean, and what game developers use them to represent can be wildly different things. A remaster can be as little as a shader or two and maybe a bugfix, or as extensive as a complete rewrite of the game.
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Gekkibi Nov 21, 2018 @ 9:29am 
I've had the definitive edition since 2007, and even back then it was equally definitive.
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Shadow of the SPQR Nov 21, 2018 @ 9:39am 
On this basis.[cdn.discordapp.com]

Though I concede that it's pomp and fanfare for a negligible change.
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Jerubius Nov 21, 2018 @ 9:58am 
Originally posted by CommodusIV:
On this basis.[cdn.discordapp.com]

Though I concede that it's pomp and fanfare for a negligible change.
Well, the CA that made Medieval 2 is pretty much dead, and any change the current CA tried to make to the game would probably make it worse. So I guess that definition works.

Not that their new games are necessarily bad. I quite enjoy the TW Warhammer games, but everything since Rome 2 has gone down a different path, and for better and worse I don't think they will ever be going back.
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Gekkibi Nov 21, 2018 @ 10:04am 
Originally posted by JERubius:
...but everything since Rome 2 has gone down a different path, and for better and worse I don't think they will ever be going back.
Did you mean "everything since Empire", because that's where the so called "streamlining" started. Also it was unspeakably broken, and it was the first Total War game that had false advertisement too.
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Shadow of the SPQR Nov 21, 2018 @ 10:12am 
Originally posted by Gekkibi:
Originally posted by JERubius:
...but everything since Rome 2 has gone down a different path, and for better and worse I don't think they will ever be going back.
Did you mean "everything since Empire", because that's where the so called "streamlining" started. Also it was unspeakably broken, and it was the first Total War game that had false advertisement too.
This. Empire is where it began.
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Gekkibi Nov 21, 2018 @ 10:15am 
Originally posted by CommodusIV:
Originally posted by Gekkibi:
Did you mean "everything since Empire", because that's where the so called "streamlining" started. Also it was unspeakably broken, and it was the first Total War game that had false advertisement too.
This. Empire is where it began.
...Forgot to mention that it was also the first title that had randomized exclusive pre-order bonus units...
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Jerubius Nov 21, 2018 @ 10:23am 
Originally posted by Gekkibi:
Originally posted by JERubius:
...but everything since Rome 2 has gone down a different path, and for better and worse I don't think they will ever be going back.
Did you mean "everything since Empire", because that's where the so called "streamlining" started. Also it was unspeakably broken, and it was the first Total War game that had false advertisement too.
Yeah, but the difference between Shogun 2 and Rome 2 was drastic. Shogun 2 still plays a lot like the old games.
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Gekkibi Nov 21, 2018 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by JERubius:
Originally posted by Gekkibi:
Did you mean "everything since Empire", because that's where the so called "streamlining" started. Also it was unspeakably broken, and it was the first Total War game that had false advertisement too.
Yeah, but the difference between Shogun 2 and Rome 2 was drastic. Shogun 2 still plays a lot like the old games.
Shogun 2 was streamlined even more than what Empire was. The sole reason why it's still a good game is that they somehow, don't ask my how, managed to unf*** the engine. Granted, the gameplay changes between Shogun 2 and Rome 2 are bigger than any of the changes before. The province nonsense, no unit movement without generals, limited number of stacks, no garrisons, etc.

Still, it all started years before Rome 2 debacle. Everyone remembers the facial animations, but almost no one, except me, remember Empire's "actual in-game screenshots". Everyone remembers the pre-order bonuses, but almost no one, except me, remember Empire's scratch card units.
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Jerubius Nov 21, 2018 @ 11:02am 
Originally posted by Gekkibi:
Originally posted by JERubius:
Yeah, but the difference between Shogun 2 and Rome 2 was drastic. Shogun 2 still plays a lot like the old games.
Shogun 2 was streamlined even more than what Empire was. The sole reason why it's still a good game is that they somehow, don't ask my how, managed to unf*** the engine. Granted, the gameplay changes between Shogun 2 and Rome 2 are bigger than any of the changes before. The province nonsense, no unit movement without generals, limited number of stacks, no garrisons, etc.

Still, it all started years before Rome 2 debacle. Everyone remembers the facial animations, but almost no one, except me, remember Empire's "actual in-game screenshots". Everyone remembers the pre-order bonuses, but almost no one, except me, remember Empire's scratch card units.
Yeah, I never played Empire. Just Medieval 1 and 2, Shogun 2, Rome 2 and Warhammer 1 and 2. Maybe a little bit of Attila and Rome 1, don't remember.
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Siddha Nov 21, 2018 @ 12:23pm 
CA are just regularising their catalogue of older games
In time the same will happen with Rome 2 etc
That some people will benefit by getting some old DLC free is an unavoidable side effect
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Attila Nov 21, 2018 @ 12:37pm 
I'd be happier if they made modding easier. Still have to essentially delete a DLC campaign to play a mod.
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Gekkibi Nov 21, 2018 @ 1:21pm 
Originally posted by Siddha:
CA are just regularising their catalogue of older games
In time the same will happen with Rome 2 etc
That some people will benefit by getting some old DLC free is an unavoidable side effect
What about Rome? Medieval? Shogun?

At the moment there's no sign of regularisation.

Originally posted by Attila:
I'd be happier if they made modding easier. Still have to essentially delete a DLC campaign to play a mod.

Since when? Replacing one of the expansion campaigns with a mod of your choice has never been a requirement. It has always been the incorrect way of "installing" mods.

But ya, they could have still made modding easier, for example by removing the hardcoded limitations like the number of regions on a map, number of different kind of units, number of factions, and so on.
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