Any benefit to a thieves guild?

[Eman Eliforp]

I normally reject them in favor of merchants, assassins, templar/hospitaller, etc but am i doing myself a disservice by not building any thieves guilds?

[Ashur_Arbaces]

Spies trained from a city with a thieves guilt will be much better of the bat.

Here's a guide for all guild specifics:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=256234465

[Inardesco]

No. It's useless. Destroy it and get decent guild instead.

[Britannicus]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

No. It's useless. Destroy it and get decent guild instead.

Ah yes, being able to train level 5 spies is useless. Gotcha.

[Eman Eliforp]

Originally posted by Britannicus:

Originally posted by Inardesco:

No. It's useless. Destroy it and get decent guild instead.

Ah yes, being able to train level 5 spies is useless. Gotcha.

But how exactly is a level 5 better then a standard spy or watchtower? That's my point. I get that you can get better spies, but what does that "better" entail? Perhaps i just don't use spies enough...

[Britannicus]

Originally posted by Eman Eliforp:

Originally posted by Britannicus:

Ah yes, being able to train level 5 spies is useless. Gotcha.

But how exactly is a level 5 better then a standard spy or watchtower? That's my point. I get that you can get better spies, but what does that "better" entail? Perhaps i just don't use spies enough...

High level spies are amazing. As for watchtowers, you can't build those in enemy territory.

High level spies have a higher chance of successfully infiltrating a city; they grant a much larger penalty to public order and a higher chance to open the gates. 2-3 level 10 spies will get a somewhat unstable city to revolt in a few turns.

Plus, high level spies have a huge radius for detecting enemy agents, which is always a nice bonus.

Edit: Sorry my original post sounded dickish.

[Eman Eliforp]

Originally posted by Britannicus:

Originally posted by Eman Eliforp:

But how exactly is a level 5 better then a standard spy or watchtower? That's my point. I get that you can get better spies, but what does that "better" entail? Perhaps i just don't use spies enough...

High level spies are amazing. As for watchtowers, you can't build those in enemy territory.

High level spies have a higher chance of successfully infiltrating a city; they grant a much larger penalty to public order and a higher chance to open the gates. 2-3 level 10 spies will get a somewhat unstable city to revolt in a few turns.

Plus, high level spies have a huge radius for detecting enemy agents, which is always a nice bonus.

Edit: Sorry my orignial post sounded dickish.

1) No apology required.
2) Rebellion you say? That i can accept as a benefit (Using priests to cause rebellion in Shogun 2 is my fave!) i shall try for a thieves guild then!

[Britannicus]

Originally posted by Eman Eliforp:

Originally posted by Britannicus:

High level spies are amazing. As for watchtowers, you can't build those in enemy territory.

High level spies have a higher chance of successfully infiltrating a city; they grant a much larger penalty to public order and a higher chance to open the gates. 2-3 level 10 spies will get a somewhat unstable city to revolt in a few turns.

Plus, high level spies have a huge radius for detecting enemy agents, which is always a nice bonus.

Edit: Sorry my orignial post sounded dickish.

1) No apology required.
2) Rebellion you say? That i can accept as a benefit (Using priests to cause rebellion in Shogun 2 is my fave!) i shall try for a thieves guild then!

Important to note: it works best, at least in my experience, in cities with religious unrest, i.e. newly established crusader states, Mongols that have just settled or Islamic/Orthodox conquests in catholic lands.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by Britannicus:

Originally posted by Inardesco:

No. It's useless. Destroy it and get decent guild instead.

Ah yes, being able to train level 5 spies is useless. Gotcha.

Considering I never use spies unless I have a castle Library or a muslim version of the inn...
Yes its useless.

The negative traits from inns aren't worth having spies/assasins. But when I do have spies, they never infiltrate armies/cities so they don't have to be level 5.