Excommunication doesnt go both ways?

[Kvltist]

Everytime I atack or get atacked by a catholic nation the pope will issue a ''seize hostilities demand'' within a few turns. But my enemy can keep atacking me on both his and my territory but suffer no penalty with the pope. Where as I get imidietly excommunicated.

The pope sends these demands so often that I have just started ignoring them in order to make any progress at all, but this makes all christian factions hate me and I cant do any diplomacy and everyone declares war on me and occasionaly calls crusades on my settlements :(

[Inardesco]

Because their relations are higher than yours they don't suffer as much you.

[MAI]

I've experienced it, they can attack but u can't it's really annoying and unfair i think. What should i do when they siege my castles and cities?

[mypony89]

You can defend yourself but can't attack, even if they are sieging your castle or blockading the city. Not fair I agree.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by alirmak:

I've experienced it, they can attack but u can't it's really annoying and unfair i think. What should i do when they siege my castles and cities?

You kill them without mercy.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by mypony89:

You can defend yourself but can't attack, even if they are sieging your castle or blockading the city. Not fair I agree.

You have every right to defend yourself, during the mission time, against any attack from invaders. The only moment the Pope might want to slap you even then is just because their relation to the Pope is so high their King's mouth smells of his behind.

[MAI]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Originally posted by alirmak:

I've experienced it, they can attack but u can't it's really annoying and unfair i think. What should i do when they siege my castles and cities?

You kill them without mercy.

I agree to you about relations but they deserve if they declare war to me. The announcement says that there should be no more fighting or smth like that but when they attack there is again fighting nothing changes.

I mean if war is mutual, peace is mutual, ceasefire must be mutual too.

maybe the pope wants all nations with same power, noone is stronger than other?
That's why expanding with christian nations hard i think

[Inardesco]

Pope doesn't give a rats behind who's stronger than the other. If you have perfect relations with the Pope you can kill catholic nations with impunity whereas if you have crap relations with the Pope he'll always excommunicate you.

As for excommunication, it's a -20% public order penalty and you're eligible to be a crusade target. If the Pope dies or your faction leader than you're back into the church. That's it.

Sometimes it's more beneficial to take the excommunication than to suck up to the Pope. Personally, I don't care if he tells me to stop attacking the enemy, but I will kill all enemy forces on my land. If that means excommuncation, so be it.

[mypony89]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Originally posted by mypony89:

You can defend yourself but can't attack, even if they are sieging your castle or blockading the city. Not fair I agree.

You have every right to defend yourself, during the mission time, against any attack from invaders. The only moment the Pope might want to slap you even then is just because their relation to the Pope is so high their King's mouth smells of his behind.

I agree with you. I DO have every right to defend myself, however the pope apparently did not agree with me. I had received a warning not to attack the English again for x amount of turns. So the English besieged my castle which had very few defenders. I brought up reinforcements to bolster my castle and attacked the besiegers before their second army arrived.

Pope excommunicated me. Had to pay him 20k for 10 turns to get back in his "grace". If I had assassin's I'd have seen a stack to visit him.

[JoeTheHitman]

Place a diplomat next to Rome and give The Papal States some money as a gift, that should be enough for keeping a good relationship with The Pope. Do this every turn, and you will be able to destroy any faction you want.
BTW, it's quite reallistic LOL
Remember, Your Holiness loves gold :D

[MAI]

Originally posted by JoeTheHitman:

Place a diplomat next to Rome and give The Papal States some money as a gift, that should be enough for keeping a good relationship with The Pope. Do this every turn, and you will be able to destroy any faction you want.
BTW, it's quite reallistic LOL
Remember, Your Holiness loves gold :D

:D
Thank you for advice i won't be excommunicated by every pope i hope and won't deal with the whole europe

[Kvltist]

Originally posted by JoeTheHitman:

Place a diplomat next to Rome and give The Papal States some money as a gift, that should be enough for keeping a good relationship with The Pope. Do this every turn, and you will be able to destroy any faction you want.
BTW, it's quite reallistic LOL
Remember, Your Holiness loves gold :D

The papal states keeps blackmailing me by demanding me to pay money and ''accept or we atack'' like wtf xD the Pope really loves money.

[Darth Cannabis]

Originally posted by mypony89:

Originally posted by Inardesco:

You have every right to defend yourself, during the mission time, against any attack from invaders. The only moment the Pope might want to slap you even then is just because their relation to the Pope is so high their King's mouth smells of his behind.

I agree with you. I DO have every right to defend myself, however the pope apparently did not agree with me. I had received a warning not to attack the English again for x amount of turns. So the English besieged my castle which had very few defenders. I brought up reinforcements to bolster my castle and attacked the besiegers before their second army arrived.

Pope excommunicated me. Had to pay him 20k for 10 turns to get back in his "grace". If I had assassin's I'd have seen a stack to visit him.

That there should not happen. I have NEVER had it happen when attacking an army besieging my castle or in anyway within the borders of my territory.

If however you gave chase when they retreat back across that border than yes, you will be excomunicated. Which specific castle was it, and how close was that border. Some of the small territories like Metz or Bern, have the castles extremely close to actual border for example.

Also be sure to doublecheck all navies. You'll be surprised how often that forgotten naval unit will get you in trouble.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by JoeTheHitman:

give The Papal States some money as a gift, every turn

How about...Nope.

If you train enough priests, build up your churches and basically own the Papal seat than you don't need to give him a penny. He'll actually like you when you listen to his missions and be sensible about whacking the other catholic nations. Thus if you play purely defensive wars aka the AI attacks you and so you take their hovels for yourself, then there's hardly any need for you to drop in standing with the Pope.

Go on the occasional crusade if it suits you, call them yourself when you want to and basically just go about your expansion like you would normally. The Pope can be a bother and a major pain in the behind but you can easily circumvent his complete and utter whining without paying a dime or losing credibility with him.

[Hat8]

Just accept the excommunication or always have a diplomat wooing the the Pope.

Killing the Pope is also a good decision.

[JoeTheHitman]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Originally posted by JoeTheHitman:

give The Papal States some money as a gift, every turn

How about...Nope.

If you train enough priests, build up your churches and basically own the Papal seat than you don't need to give him a penny. He'll actually like you when you listen to his missions and be sensible about whacking the other catholic nations. Thus if you play purely defensive wars aka the AI attacks you and so you take their hovels for yourself, then there's hardly any need for you to drop in standing with the Pope.

Go on the occasional crusade if it suits you, call them yourself when you want to and basically just go about your expansion like you would normally. The Pope can be a bother and a major pain in the behind but you can easily circumvent his complete and utter whining without paying a dime or losing credibility with him.

I agree with you; there are many strategies to avoid trouble with the Pope, but you are missing the point here.
If you want to be agressive against other Catholic factions without being excommunicated, you'll need The Pope on your side. And that, dear friend, means gold.
The 'cease hostilities' mission is always against you.
Giving the Pope some gold is cheaper, at least at the beginning of the game. It's the easiest -not the only- option.