Padak
Galaxies Oct 15, 2017 @ 11:28am
Want to go vegan after seeing this film? Think again.
Daily reminder that veganism will kill your testosterone and make you unable to breed.

Vegans have a lower sperm count than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/35465
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257705/

Vegans have lower testosterone than non vegans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1435181
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127.abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/159772
http://m.♥♥♥.physiology.org/content/82/1/49

Veganism causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

Let's not fall for the blatant propaganda this movie is trying to shove down our throats. This movie is nothing more than a comedy and should be treated as such. Time for some sushi :tongue:🍣
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Hippyshake Apr 10, 2018 @ 4:08pm 
Originally posted by ✨Galaxies🔥:

Veganism causes loss of libido and erectile dysfunction:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21353476

Let's not fall for the blatant propaganda this movie is trying to shove down our throats. This movie is nothing more than a comedy and should be treated as such. Time for some sushi :tongue:🍣

Talk about propaganda. That study you're citing is about levels "after the ingestion of large quantities of soy-based products in a vegan-style diet." That's not to say it isn't important, just that it is not the experience of all vegans. There are certainly ways to maintain a healthy vegan lifestyle, and it is certainy better than loading your body with animal proteins (which, btw, also cause impotence).

Source: I am a nurse, and have mainatined a whole food plant based lifestyle for years.
grody_antagonic Jul 20, 2018 @ 7:23pm 
hahahahaha, no. Vegan is good for everything. Meat actually kills you.^^
But Vegetarism is also fine and probably enough for a start.

tbh people always tend to only believe what they want to believe. That's fine. I'm doing so too. You probably know that there are a damn lot of studies that prove the opposite of the "studies" you referring to. You just need to chose whom to believe more. Maybe all studies in the world are just some point of view on things. Just go with what you think is good for you. You won't get impotent for eating meat or if you eat only vegan. To me that's all bs. Eat what you think for yourself is good. If this film makes someone go vegan, that's fine. It's their decision. If your post makes someone to keep eating fish and meat, that's also fine. Just do what you think is right for you. Vegetarism it is for me.
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Hippyshake Jul 21, 2018 @ 6:54am 
Originally posted by weirdopuss:
hahahahaha, no. Vegan is good for everything. Meat actually kills you.^^
But Vegetarism is also fine and probably enough for a start.

tbh people always tend to only believe what they want to believe. That's fine. I'm doing so too. You probably know that there are a damn lot of studies that prove the opposite of the "studies" you referring to. You just need to chose whom to believe more. Maybe all studies in the world are just some point of view on things. Just go with what you think is good for you. You won't get impotent for eating meat or if you eat only vegan. To me that's all bs. Eat what you think for yourself is good. If this film makes someone go vegan, that's fine. It's their decision. If your post makes someone to keep eating fish and meat, that's also fine. Just do what you think is right for you. Vegetarism it is for me.

You're right; there is a study that proves or disproves nearly everything. However, that doesn't mean they're scientific, or that their results should be trusted. it's important to look at each study carefully and ask who funded it, how large a sample it was, how long it was conducted and, how complete it was. Read "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D. and Thomas M. Campbell II, M.D. It's possibly the largest correlational study ever conducted, and was based on the 20-year-long China–Cornell–Oxford Project conducted by the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine, Cornell University, and the University of Oxford. The science is strong, mutli-sourced, eveidence based, and has only been supported by additional studies from multiple sources since the study's findings were published. The truth is simple and, frankly, no longer debatable: animal portein causes erectile dysfuction, heart disease, and many more health problems.

What this has to do with a cartoon movie about a fish is beyond me, though. I saw it as a cry about how inhumane we humans can be, not a call for veganism.
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grody_antagonic Jul 21, 2018 @ 11:49am 
Originally posted by Hippyshake:
What this has to do with a cartoon movie about a fish is beyond me, though. I saw it as a cry about how inhumane we humans can be, not a call for veganism.
Agreed. Some people tend to see a conspiracy everywhere. However, thank you very much for providing the info about animal protein. I'm a big animal protection activist myself and so I very much appreciate you sharing that info here. However, I'm not elitist or anything, so I'm usually totally fine with different standings and povs about anything. Eat meat if you want to, just be sure you think about it at least once in your life.^^

But as you said, hasn't much to do with this great film at all. :D:
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Kegfarms Sep 12, 2018 @ 8:52pm 
Originally posted by weirdopuss:
hahahahaha, no. Vegan is good for everything. Meat actually kills you.^^
But Vegetarism is also fine and probably enough for a start.

tbh people always tend to only believe what they want to believe. That's fine. I'm doing so too. You probably know that there are a damn lot of studies that prove the opposite of the "studies" you referring to. You just need to chose whom to believe more. Maybe all studies in the world are just some point of view on things. Just go with what you think is good for you. You won't get impotent for eating meat or if you eat only vegan. To me that's all bs. Eat what you think for yourself is good. If this film makes someone go vegan, that's fine. It's their decision. If your post makes someone to keep eating fish and meat, that's also fine. Just do what you think is right for you. Vegetarism it is for me.

Heh.
Galaxies Sep 12, 2018 @ 10:09pm 
Vegetarians are less healthy and have a poorer quality of life than meat-eaters, a new study from Austria has concluded.

The research from the Medical University of Graz found that vegetarians visit their doctors more often and are more prone to allergies; they have a 50% increased risk of both heart attacks and cancer; and more likely to develop depression and anxiety disorders.

According to a report in the UK’s Daily Mail, the research indicated that vegetarian diets are associated with poorer health and quality of life.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2596012/Vegetarians-healthy-poorer-quality-life-meat-eaters.html

The research also revealed that people of high socioeconomic status are more likely to be vegetarian.

The research contradicts previous studies that have suggested red meat is linked to a range of health problems, including bowel cancer.

The researchers say: ‘Our study has shown that Austrian adults who consume a vegetarian diet are less healthy (in terms of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), have a lower quality of life, and also require more medical treatment.

‘Therefore, a continued strong public health programme for Austria is required in order to reduce the health risk due to nutritional factors.’
Hippyshake Sep 13, 2018 @ 6:25am 
Way to cherry pick through the article. You missed how vegetarians: "are usually more active and that they consume less alcohol, [...] are also less likely to smoke and tend to have lower BMIs." (EDIT: The article isn't new; it's from 2014)

Also: "the researchers say more studies are needed to confirm their findings."

But the biggest problem is that the "study" used a narrow pool using vague terminology and was highly flawed, unscientific, and cross-sectional. Worse, the source of funding was never released, meaning it was likely funded by the meat industry (it's reallllly important to see where the money comes from for this kind of "research;" which is why all reputable studies report the source of their funding).

See also:
https://blameitonlove.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/total-quackery-austrias-graz-university-study/
https://www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/vegetarians-have-poorer-quality-of-life-study-claims/

It's 2018. This stuff really isn't up for debate any more. I'm currently an omnivore, but my girlfriend and I have been whole food plant based twice in the past, and I know the difference it made in my health. I have less energy and stamina, and my allergies are far worse. My short term memory sucks. All of these were improved when I cut out animal protein and all added salt, sugars and fats. As for her, she reversed her diabeties within the first 30 days (which is back due to the change in lifestyle). But you don't have to take my word for it: try telling Martina Navratilova, Joe Namath, Ricky Williams, Carl Lewis, or Mike Tyson that they have "poorer health and quality of life."

I'm with weirdopuss...I don't really care how anyone lives their life. We only get one go-around (which is why I will no longer give up my chili-cheese fries; it's a trade off). But I'm also a nurse, so I can't say nothing while these BS "studies" get passed off as real and cause actual people to hurt themselves while thinking they'll be alright. Follow the money.
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Kegfarms Sep 13, 2018 @ 2:53pm 
Originally posted by Hippyshake:
Way to cherry pick through the article. All of these were improved when I cut out animal protein and all added salt, sugars and fats.

The irony. You focus on the meat and not anything else you mentioned.
Hippyshake Sep 13, 2018 @ 3:36pm 
Originally posted by Kegfarms:
Originally posted by Hippyshake:
Way to cherry pick through the article. All of these were improved when I cut out animal protein and all added salt, sugars and fats.

The irony. You focus on the meat and not anything else you mentioned.

No irony, nor agenda (I already stated I believe people should live how they want to. I also stated I'm a meat eater.). I didn't focus on the other things ( I assume you mean added salt, sugars, and fats?) because those had nothing to do with the study that was mentioned. The study was presented as proof that meat is good for you; It's not: The study has been denounced by several independent sources, and people should know that. Had the post mentioned the controversial nature of this particular study, I wouldn't have bothered to pop my head up.

Also: I watched Finding Dory again recently, and thought how much better the animation was in Padak. It's a shame more people don't know about it.
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Kegfarms Sep 15, 2018 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by Hippyshake:
Originally posted by Kegfarms:

The irony. You focus on the meat and not anything else you mentioned.

No irony, nor agenda (I already stated I believe people should live how they want to. I also stated I'm a meat eater.). I didn't focus on the other things ( I assume you mean added salt, sugars, and fats?) because those had nothing to do with the study that was mentioned. The study was presented as proof that meat is good for you; It's not: The study has been denounced by several independent sources, and people should know that. Had the post mentioned the controversial nature of this particular study, I wouldn't have bothered to pop my head up.

Also: I watched Finding Dory again recently, and thought how much better the animation was in Padak. It's a shame more people don't know about it.

No the irony being you blaming the meat protein and focusing on that instead of the things you mentioned that are actually bad for you.
Hippyshake Sep 16, 2018 @ 5:30am 
Originally posted by Kegfarms:
No the irony being you blaming the meat protein and focusing on that instead of the things you mentioned that are actually bad for you.

LOL! Ok.
Kegfarms Sep 18, 2018 @ 1:17am 
Originally posted by Hippyshake:
Originally posted by Kegfarms:
No the irony being you blaming the meat protein and focusing on that instead of the things you mentioned that are actually bad for you.

LOL! Ok.

The study isn't relevant at all to your own statements.
Hippyshake Sep 18, 2018 @ 12:49pm 
Originally posted by Kegfarms:
Originally posted by Hippyshake:

LOL! Ok.

The study isn't relevant at all to your own statements.

Ok, I'm going to assume you're actually not trolling and help you out. Perhaps the added personal, anecdotal comments in my post distracted you from the two links I supplied that disproved the study, or the other info about a massive, mutli-sourced and funded correlational study I provided in the post above that one. In any case, if you can't see the relevancy, there's not much else I can say.

Again: You do you. Life is short; live how you wish.
Kegfarms Sep 18, 2018 @ 7:49pm 
Originally posted by Hippyshake:
Originally posted by Kegfarms:

The study isn't relevant at all to your own statements.

Ok, I'm going to assume you're actually not trolling and help you out. Perhaps the added personal, anecdotal comments in my post distracted you from the two links I supplied that disproved the study, or the other info about a massive, mutli-sourced and funded correlational study I provided in the post above that one. In any case, if you can't see the relevancy, there's not much else I can say.

Again: You do you. Life is short; live how you wish.


You really don't get it. There is no relevance to what you stated as a personal anecdote. You mentioned other things besides meat. Things that everybody knows are bad for you. Not to mention your links are irrelevant to even the health debate anyway since they're blog posts and not news articles.
Last edited by Kegfarms; Sep 18, 2018 @ 7:50pm
Hippyshake Sep 19, 2018 @ 4:42am 
You win. I'm moving on.
Last edited by Hippyshake; Sep 19, 2018 @ 5:07am
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