Pignata over Vampire, FSM?

[Undefined]

I only have one Pet Token

As you know from my GP Reset thread, I was thinking of picking FSM over Nightmare and Vampire for when I start doing CBC. I decided to go with FSM, but now the prospect of Pignata came up. Here's what I think:

Pignata:
+ Should help keep GP reset challenges shorter by farming D2 dungeons throughout rebirths via Rebirth Bacon
+ This benefit also applies to any challenges with short rebirth times, which is even more important the deeper you go into dungeons
+ Easy evolution, will be able to evo after 30 days
- Low inital growth BUT will be good around Evo time
- I already have a lot of Earth pets, but will probably evo it to a Blacksmith (which I don't have an Earth one), so maybe not so bad
- Not great at anything else, but would certainly help me as a Blacksmith (both in Forging and with Dungeons)

FSM:
+ Wind pet; all but one of my wind pets are in campaigns, so I really need a second Wind pet for dungeons
+ Bonus for DivGen
+ Good growth
+ Probably a more reliable source for GP compared to dungeons
- The time that it takes to run a good GP campaign could take could take hours, which forces me to choose between rebirthing or stalling my progress
- Can't be evo'd for a long time

Vampire:
+ Huge growth
+ Easily able to max out stats for campaigns
+ Overall, good campaign bonuses
+ Good dungeon pet
+ Would help my GC (but not sure by how much)
- Aside from Growth, the campaign bonuses are for campaigns that aren't good for early/mid-game
- Evo is late/end game
- Would likely just be a campaign pet (albeit a damn good one)

FWIW these are other pets that are recommended along with Pignata (not including Vampire)

* Nightmare
* Eagle
* Cocoa
* Cherub

[luizpedronovak]

Pignata:
- Rebirth Bacon runs out fast in shorter rebirths; however it still extremely useful to integrate dungeons in many kinds of challenge/playstyles;
- Pignata only loses its relevance much later in the game, when you pass 50 UCCs (500 bacons per run you means never uses all of it);
- You can still use it on Dojo, Tavern or Fishing without wasting better pets on it.

FSM:
- extremely useful in Gp reset challenges;
- using it on dungeons is a complete waste of a good pet. Unlock Cherub instead, if that's the goal;

Vampire:
- best alchemist in the game, in terms of speed;
- Excelent in camps;
- Very good in dungeons, but only shows its true value later in the game, when you have materials for blood potions;
- gathering the blood for evolution is easy; problem is growth and stones.


If you are going for gp reset, go for FSM. If dungeon is more important, go for Cherub or Pignata (for bacons). If growth is more important, go to Vampire.

I would go with FSM and not put it in dungeons.

Edit: Removed the first wrong info to prevent confusion to future readers

[Undefined]

Thanks for the correction, I'll rethink it over.


Re: FSM

I wouldn't be using it exclusively for Dungeons, only for when it's not in use in GP campaigns and if I plan to run D1 Mountain. Also, FSM has decent growth for all campaigns at my stage of the game so I could also use it in other camps.

It would help me fulfill D1 Mountain growth event w/o hurting my Item campaign, so I wouldn't call it a waste just because I put it in dungeon when it didn't make sense to use it in a GP camp.

Lastly, FSM's best non-Evo use appears to be GP Campaigns, which I don't see the benefit of running (without Nightmare) outside of GP Reset challenges. The max I could get is 20 GP, which is only really good in GP Reset and getting that GP would probably require quite a few hours. I'd rather just beat UBv2s at that point.

Re: Cherub:

Cherub is a great pet and better than FSM overall (plus finds Chocolate in Food camps), but her evo condition is way out of my league. And, honestly, I'd rather use her in campaigns because of her growth and camp bonuses. And while she does have the Bow ability, that's not worth it until she's evolved. If there's something I'm missing here, let me know.

Re: Vampire

I could use her growth, but I don't know how much she moves the needle for me to warrant it. My current GC is about 50 growth/hr. If my math is correct, she'll give me ~7 growth/hr and that's about a 14% improvement. And while that's certainly not bad and probably the best I'm going to get, I still don't think it's worth it. One of the reasons I want to do Mountain D1 (and Forest D1 when I have spare Puny/Strong food) is because it's another source for growing pets (and more than just 1) and the flexibility it offers even if the gains are small.

[Xelos]

If your planning on doing CBC, I would prioritize FSM and Nightmare. Also, they are always useful, since you can shift all pets to GP camp when you don't need other camps running (like multi and div camp).

If you can do all five Depth 2 dungeons while satisfying it's event conditions and have enough free pet xp to level pignata to class ~40, so you have steady supply of bacon, then go pignata.

If you don't have good growth pets, go Vampire.

[Undefined]

Originally posted by Xelos:

If you can do all five Depth 2 dungeons while satisfying it's event conditions and have enough free pet xp to level pignata to class ~40, so you have steady supply of bacon, then go pignata.

I have 2 team slots, the next ChP purchase is going towards the 3rd team slot, and I'm at ~700 ChP.

Both of my teams are capable of doing D2 dungeons and satisfying events (esp GP events).

All my GP generating methods (that would be valid in CBC) are here (if anyone needs more info): https://steamcommunity.com/app/466170/discussions/0/6292161380819071101/#c6292161380822754367

[luizpedronovak]

Originally posted by Undefined:

Thanks for the correction, I'll rethink it over.

Notice I'm not sure of it, needs some test. But if the game warns about it, there's a reason.

Also, if you only has 2 dungeons, Pignata will give 10 bacons a day, so you can rebirth during challenges 5 times a day. It's enough. Now, if you unlock another team, that's 3 bacons a rebirth so only 3 rebirths a day allowed. That may sound a lot, specially during UBCs, but take it into consideration before you make a strategy based on unlocking Pignata and running the Challenges; it may not be enough depending on playstyle. (After 30 days, it will be evolved, so the problem slowly disappears)

Finally, FSM also increases Div Gen output. Sometimes this bonus is ignored, but it's quite useful.

[Undefined]

Originally posted by luizpedronovak:

Originally posted by Undefined:

Thanks for the correction, I'll rethink it over.

Notice I'm not sure of it, needs some test. But if the game warns about it, there's a reason.

Also, if you only has 2 dungeons, Pignata will give 10 bacons a day, so you can rebirth during challenges 5 times a day. It's enough. Now, if you unlock another team, that's 3 bacons a rebirth so only 3 rebirths a day allowed. That may sound a lot, specially during UBCs, but take it into consideration before you make a strategy based on unlocking Pignata and running the Challenges; it may not be enough depending on playstyle. (After 30 days, it will be evolved, so the problem slowly disappears)

Finally, FSM also increases Div Gen output. Sometimes this bonus is ignored, but it's quite useful.

Thanks for the input.

Y'know, I looked at it closer and noticed it says "Not usable to go into in GP reset challenges (or NRDC)"

Assuming the text is accurate, to go into a challenge is different from using it after you start a challenge and then start a dungeon, which was my original intention. I'm hoping Ryu sees this and gives some clarification.

Either way, after further thought, I think one of the reasons I'm sold on Pignata is the easy evo + wildcard. I really need an extra Blacksmith not just for forging, but dungeon events, and Pignata can help.

Now, I do have Anteater, but he still needs 1k Special Wood (I've got ~100) and 10k more growth, and he can't be grown in a GC bc I have about 6 other pets with the same growth as him that he'll surpass, meaning I'd have to also grow them so he can be the target of a GC once again, and that'll take forever.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3165685571

[muljostpho]

Yeah, he just didn't want us doing something crazy like running 12 hour dungeons, starting a CBC or whatever when the dungeons are ready to collect or about to be ready to collect, and getting a big GP payout in the first hour of the challenge to trivialize it.

Within the challenge it's perfectly fine to start the dungeons after you start the challenge and rebirth as much as you need to with the rebirth bacon keeping the dungeons going.

[Undefined]

Originally posted by muljostpho:

Yeah, he just didn't want us doing something crazy like running 12 hour dungeons, starting a CBC or whatever when the dungeons are ready to collect or about to be ready to collect, and getting a big GP payout in the first hour of the challenge to trivialize it.

Within the challenge it's perfectly fine to start the dungeons after you start the challenge and rebirth as much as you need to with the rebirth bacon keeping the dungeons going.

Thank you for confirming.

Well, that settles it, then.

And I was thinking: even if I don't have FSM, worst case scenario is that I'll still get 10 GP max from GP camp. I don't think losing the extra 10 GP is going to make or break a CBC, especially when I have so many other methods for getting GP,

But if it somehow was a problem, I'll just hold off on them. Plus, I have quite a few challenges I'm ready for that'll also really help my character (last 4 BHCs, 3rd DPC + Dragon evo, 1st DNDC, NDMC, GPC, some GSCs and PBCs).

So yeah, no big deal. Thanks for the help everyone.

[nanami]

might want to look into getting Baby Carno with Witch and Vampire and a few other pets in my food team hes earning about 1100 growth per day

[Huillam]

Originally posted by Undefined:

+ Would help my GC (but not sure by how much)

When I unlocked her she was almost as good as Thunderball. Except if I messed my maths as their respective growths increase the gap between the two should expand (slowly) but I expect her to be part of my GC camp for a long time.