Help plan my next challenge series AAC vs UBC

[Haakon]

So my notable stats are as below, I'm currently working on 1kCBHCs (12/20 so far) and will finish off my last 2 PBCs. Then I have 2 paths I can take that will occupy my next few months; AACs (10/50 so around 100 days left) or UBCs (2/50)
Now I don't know how long the first 20 UCCs would take me, I haven't planned the runs out and know the 20th will be 40 million statistics,
for UBCs I did one about 2 months ago and was at 1d 6h but I think I can get sub 24 hour clears and cap in 50 days, lets say 2 months to give me some breathing room.
I feel UBCs will affect my climb during AACs more than AACs (and UCC20) will help my UBCs but where I am stuck is if I should do the following before UBCs: MQC, NTC (I feel UBC is considerable here), TGSC, and specifically how long would the last few TGSC take me at the moment? Is my RTI and Clone count high enough for it not to be a 2 week / month long rebirth?
Is there anything else I'm missing that I could achieve in a reasonable time before UBCs that would significantly help them?
I know GP generation is the key in UBCs and I need to check on if I can build a Mountain Depth 3 team or not. If I can it'll definitely make <24h possible.
Otherwise I have 5 teams unlocked, Volcano D2-10 is on farm always

So the question is straight into UBCs?
MQC first?
NTC?
TGSC? (or just the easy ones?)
Or is AAC and UCC20 a big power boost worth waiting for and I should do those first?

Available GP: 7760
Total GP spent: 236464
GP spent for stats multi: 1850
Max Shadow Clones: 45.250 million
Creating Speed: 330,652 %, (100 % base + 75,000 % from god power + 70,380 % from crystal power) * 1.9474 from pet equip * 1 from spacedim * 1.16712 from RTI * 1 from chp * 1 from hard mode chp.
Creation Speed including all temporary boosts (bonus from godly liquids (* 1), offline/ad point bonus, creating stat (* 10.5), challenge modifiers): 10.415 million %
Building Speed: 588,061 %, (100 % base + 175,000 % from god power + 70,380 % from crystal power) * 1.93637 from pet equip * 1.06 equipped crystals * 1 from spacedim * 1.16711 from RTI * 1 from chp * 1 from UfCC * 1 from hard mode chp.
Building Speed including all temporary boosts (bonus from chakra pills (* 1), challenge modifiers): 588,061 %
Crystal Power: 58,650
Creation Count: 1,076

Time online: 109 days, 7:52:44 hours
Time offline: 256 days, 0:07:22 hours
God Power / hour since beginning: 27.85 (244,224)
God Power / hour since 89 days, 8:54:39 hours: 51.36 (110,167)
Crystal Power / hour since beginning: 6.69 (140,760)
Crystal Power / hour since 89 days, 8:54:39 hours: 9.85 (21,137)

Light Clones: 220,412
Light Clones / hour since 89 days, 8:54:39 hours: 43.71 (93,759)
Total Spacedim Levels: 199,795

Fastest time to defeat ITRTGV4: 0.00 sec
UBV4 points: 65

Rebirths: 2,388
Total Might: 1.681 million
Strongest God defeated: 88 (P. Baal v 60)

Unlocked Pets: 69
Evolved Pets: 57
Total Pet Dungeon Levels: 2,990
Total Pet growth: 2.585 million

Pet equip hp bonus: 539.43%
Pet equip attack bonus: 341.01%
Pet equip mystic bonus: 363.76%
Pet equip regen bonus: 0%
Pet equip building speed bonus: 93.64%
Pet equip creating speed bonus: 94.74%

Challenge Points: 11,059

Chp Planet Level: 0
Chp Divinity boost: 0%
Chp Damage Reduction UBs: 25%
Chp Crystal Upgrade boost: 5%
Chp Damage Boost V2s: 0%
Chp CP boost: 0%
Chp BS boost: 0%
Chp CS boost: 0%
Chp TBS Level Loss decrease: 0%
Chp Pet Stone Drop boost: 10%
Chp Stone Pet improvement: False
Chp Adv EXP boost: 0%
Chp Dungeon Drop boost: 0%
Chp Dungeon Exp boost: 20%
Chp Dungeon Overtime: 0%
Chp D4 boss room: 60
Chp Crafting boost: 11%
Chp SpaceDim boost: 0%

Hard mode Challenge points: 0

Overflow Points: 133
OfP Black Hole: 40
OfP Black Hole Upgrade: 50
OfP Gem Cap: 15
OfP Gem Gain: 10%
OfP V2 Auto Kill: 235
OfP Hp Regen: 10%
OfP Crystal Power: 20%
OfP Space Dim: 4%
OfP Creating Stat: 5%
OfP Powersurge: 10%
OfP Creation Count: 0%
OfP Might Speed: 0%
OfP Stats Multi: 0%

RTI

Physical perm level: 74,265
Mystic perm level: 74,266
Battle perm level: 74,145
Creating perm level: 74,266
TBS perm level: 74,522
God Crystal perm level: 74,141
Space Dim perm level: 74,141
Divinity perm level: 74,141
Building Speed perm level: 77,109
Creating Speed perm level: 77,112

Dojo N/A - Havent unlocked it

God Power Challenges: 25 / 25
Ultimate Universe Challenges: 45 / 45
Monument Multi Challenges: 40 / 40
All Achievements Challenges: 10 / 50
Black Hole Challenges: 40 / 40
Ultimate Black Hole Challenges: 5 / 9,999
Ultimate Pet Challenges: 20 / 20
Pet Level Challenges: 25 / 25
Crystal Power Challenges: 25 / 25
Total Might Challenges: 25 / 25
Might Accumulation Challenges: 7 / 20
Powerful Unleash Challenges: 1 / 10
Planet Multi Challenges: 50 / 50
1K Clones Black Hole Ch.s: 12 / 20
Ultimate Beings V2 Challenges: 10 / 10
No Div Monument Challenges: 21 / 21
SpaceDim Challenges: 4 / 20
Overflow Challenges: 3 / 9,999
Double Rebirth Challenges: 25 / 25
God Skip Challenges: 26 / 26
True God Skip Challenges: 4 / 26
No Divinity Challenges: 25 / 25
1000 Clones Challenges: 40 / 40
No Rebirth Challenges: 20 / 20
P. Baal Challenges: 23 / 25
No Rebirth Dungeon Challenges: 20 / 20
No Rebirth CP Challenges: 1 / 25
Greedy God Challenges: 11 / 26
Ultimate Baal Challenges: 2 / 50
Clone Buildup Challenges: 25 / 25
Day Baal Challenge highest Baal: 29
Day Universe Challenge highest universes: 30,543
Day Pet Challenge highest multi: 79.554 million
Day Might Challenge highest might: 44,387
Day No Divinity Challenge highest points: 837.194 million
Day God Power Challenge highest god power: 721
Road to Infinity highest Baal: 51

[n00bdragon]

Your 40 remaining AACs will take roughly 2900 hours, or about 120 days. Missing from your stats is your fastest UBC completion time, which I think is the most relevant statistic. If you can complete UBC in less than 2 days, it will probably be faster for you to do 100 UBCs than 48 UBCs and 40 AACs. If you cannot do a UBC in less than 2 days, just sit back and relax and do the AACs. They'll make your UBCs easier.

[Haakon]

Originally posted by n00bdragon:

Your 40 remaining AACs will take roughly 2900 hours, or about 120 days. Missing from your stats is your fastest UBC completion time, which I think is the most relevant statistic. If you can complete UBC in less than 2 days, it will probably be faster for you to do 100 UBCs than 48 UBCs and 40 AACs. If you cannot do a UBC in less than 2 days, just sit back and relax and do the AACs. They'll make your UBCs easier.

Its in my great wall of text, 1day 6 hours 2 months ago, can probably get sub 24h

[muljostpho]

I procrastinated a lot about getting my UBCs done so take anything I say as an overestimate of what may be necessary (and I'm often inefficient about things too, so my fastest UBC records might not be a good representation of what could be possible for someone else with my stats), but looking through my save backups...

UBCs 1 and 2 were done in April 2017. (1st challenges, started them almost a year into playing the game, had been just climbing slowly until then because I refused to even look at any challenges because I wanted all of the pets from gods (up to P.Baal 25 at the time) unlocked first). Fastest of the two runs was about 8d10h.

UBCs 3 to 25 were done from October 2021 to January 2023. (I was not rushing them. Took many little breaks to do other things. (Really, throughout the entire set of 50 UBCs in general I just usually couldn't stand doing more than 5 in a row. Maybe I pushed it as far as 10 in a row at some point? I forget when. But if so, I didn't like doing it.)) In my stat export at the start of October 2021 I had 82 pets unlocked (54 evolved), 5.306M total pet growth, 2469 total pet dungeon levels, and 10698 ChP worth of challenges completed. Listing everything, relevant or not: I had maxed out the GPC, UUC, MMC, BHC, UPC, CPC, TMC, PMC, 1kBHC, UBv2C, NDMC, DRC, GSC, NDC, 1kC, NRC, PBC, and NRDC. Partially completed challenges were AAC (20/50), SDC (10/20), UBC (2/50), and I had run 10 Overflows as well. Plus of course I had scores in DBC (25), DUC (1.071M), DPC (3.826B), DMC (11251), DNDC (733.030M), and RTI (50). My fastest UBC on record after that was about 1d1h35m.

UBCs 26 to 50 were done from August 2023 to October 2023. (Actually, looking back on them like this how did i belt this last batch out this fast? ... ... ... Yikes, apparently I only took a break for a couple weeks between 35 and 36! 26-35 were packed together and 36-50 were packed together. Guess I just really wanted to finally get that **** over with.) In my stat export at the start of August 2023 I had 117 pets unlocked (108 evolved), 16.466M total pet growth, 5577 total pet dungeon levels, and 18778 ChP worth of challenges completed. Listing everything, relevant or not: I had maxed out GPC, UUC, MMC, AAC, BHC, UPC, PLC, CPC, TMC, MAC, PMC, 1kBHC, UBv2C, NDMC, TLC, SDC, USC, DRC, GSC, TGSC, MQC, NDC, 1kC, NRC, PBC, NRDC, and CBC. Partially completed challenges were DGC (5/25), MCC (27/30), UGC (10/20), GGC (15/26), UBC (25/50), UMC (1/21), and I had run 5 UBHCs, 25 Overflows, and 5 UCCs as well. Plus of course I had scores in DBC (60), DUC (1.071M), DPC (49.243B), DMC (66357), DNDC (1.364B), DNRC (33), DGPC (1050), and RTI (80). My fastest UBC on record after that was about 23h16m.

EDIT: I had picked up 10 HM ChP at some point as well. Probably somewhere between UBCs 25 and 26? I did 5 each of the first two HMs released when they were released. (And to this date I still haven't gone back to run more of those or to start any of the new HMs added since then.) Not sure if they had any influence in UBC? Maybe not?

EDIT2: Also note that while most of the UCC reward grants both higher caps and credit for the extra completions on a bunch of other challenges, after completing the 20th one specifically NRC's cap changes from 20 to 25 and PBC's cap changes from 25 to 50 but you do not get credited with any extra completions for them. You have to take some time to do the extra runs (but you can run them early before doing UCC 20 if you'd like) and you can't get this extra credit within any of the UCCs either. This can screw with your total ChP until you cap them again. Just saying, when you commit to reaching UCC 20 you're kinda also committing to that bit of extra work.

Personally I've been lazy about them and to this date I still haven't continued any more UCCs past those first 5 I did. I preemptively did the 5 extra PBCs, but I haven't started preemptively running the 25 extra PBCs yet.

EDIT3: TGSC was added to the game (checks changelog) in June 2022. I did... the first 20 of them all in August 2022 (so somewhere in the middle of my UBC 3-25 crawl) and the last 6 in end of February / beginning of March 2023 (so just after my UBC 3-25 crawl). I don't know why I waited that long instead of jumping into them as soon as they were added... Anyway, at the start of August 2022 I had 150M clones, 60k CS, 600k BS, 197444 CP, 685k light clones, 94 pets unlocked (84 evolved), 8.698M total pet growth, 12.409M total might, and 13340 ChP worth of challenges completed. And then at the start of March 2023 I had 190M clones, 100k CS, 950k BS, 244089 CP, 865k light clones, 105 pets unlocked (95 evolved), 12.587M total pet growth, 16.945M total might, and 15278 ChP worth of challenges completed.

[muljostpho]

Man, too much going back in and editing in even more infodumping into that post.

Anyway, personally I liked having AACs as an option and wouldn't have ever committed to the 100 UBC path if it had been available years ago. (I forget when someone talked him into adding it but I think it was less than a year ago?) Sure, technically AACs can benefit more if you come around to them later after various challenge rewards when you can grind black hole and god crystal GP the whole time while running high value dungeons and quests as well, making them "bad" to do early. But no matter when you run them you can just sit back and relax. You do what you can to set them up at the start and you coast your way through the rest of it from there. UBCs are too stressful to take on extras of them just to avoid doing something that's super easy barely an inconvenience.

[n00bdragon]

Depends on your disposition I think. Definitely don't do anything you don't find fun. If you don't like doing 50 UBCs you will hate doing 100 of them. Still, I think especially for midgame players, when dungeons stop being an important source of GP and you can get serious rewards from GP camp and tavern, UBC can be a very relaxing challenge. Every run is the same. You know how much GP you need for the whole challenge so you just farm that up to begin with mostly passive play, then finish it out with a few quicker rebirths. It's not for everyone, but I definitely don't think it's torture.

[Huillam]

Originally posted by muljostpho:

Anyway, personally I liked having AACs as an option and wouldn't have ever committed to the 100 UBC path if it had been available years ago. (I forget when someone talked him into adding it but I think it was less than a year ago?)

I tried checking the wiki but I can't find anything about doing 100 UBC or any relation between UBC and AAC (except that completing AAC would make UBC easier).
What's the point? I know it will hurt but... Give it straight to me doc!

[adeyke]

It's on the Easter Eggs[itrtg.wiki.gg] page. I really can't recommend the 100 UBC route, though. An extra 50 UBCs would be really exhausting. With AACs, you don't really have to do anything to complete them except wait, and that wait can still be used productively by making various numbers go up.

[Huillam]

Yep I knew it was going to hurt. I'm goign to pretend I didn't read this and that this method doesn't exist.
Thanks. ;)

[Haakon]

Oh sorry for the confusion I am not considering doing an extra 50 UBCs in lieu of the AACs I just want opinions on which challenge series to complete next and if a few outstanding listed ones will impact UBCs enough to warrant doing beforehand.
I appreciate all the information on how your completions went and what your stats were.
Even if mine take 36 hours a piece (2 completions every 3 days with 3 hours rebirths for feeding) I'll be happy with that

[Xelos]

I would go for UBC if you have tavern unlocked with 3 quests slots and 15 daily quests. Tavern gives you as much gp as dungeons and I remember it speed up the UBC grind by quite a lot. It also made them a lot more exiting by getting extra 100-200 gp from quests overnight.

ACC are great source of pet stones and are great to do around mid point of the game. If you don't have any easy and impactful challanges left to do, then I would consider doing them, since you cannot speed them up.

For UCC, you want to be able to do NRC in around 8 hours (during night) and have all 5 dungeon teams being able to do D3-0 for NRDC. This will enable you to do the NRC-NRDC combo and knock out these challanges super fast. If I remember correctly, NRC, NRDC and 1KBHC is all you need for the first 20 of them.

Originally posted by Haakon:

So the question is straight into UBCs?
MQC first?
NTC?
TGSC? (or just the easy ones?)
Or is AAC and UCC20 a big power boost worth waiting for and I should do those first?

MQC is only quality of life, since you can get divinity for generator from one less tier of monster.
NTC gives nice boost. If you can knock them out quickly, then go for them. The main problem and annoyance with UBC is the building and creation speed. Extra stats are nice and they help, but not by as much as you would hope.
TGSC same as NTC.
AAC gives you similar boost to NTC. UCC (if you do all unlocked challanges by it) is amazing, since it gives you a lot of quality of life stuff. For UBC it gives you some boosts, but not much.

When I played, I went ACC -> UBC -> UCC. But the order doesn't matter, since all challanges impact each other. Follow the order that you feel comfortable with ;).

[Haakon]

Thanks Xelos,
My tavern is lvl 4 rank B but only 7 quosts per day and 1 slot so it's not going to be a massive GP farm right now, that said I am thinking UBCs will have the biggest impact in my potential so will go that direction soon, not that 1kCBHC helps it but I'm at 14 already so will finish those and my last two PBCs then get stuck in. - maybe run as many TGSC that complete quickly as well for the multi bonus,
I'll use that time to tweak and upgrade the gear my Mountain D3 team will need and they should go pretty smoothly.
My NRC are average 9-10 hours and NRDC20 was probably around 12 hours so when I get to UCCs I'll progress through them nicely I imagine, but they're 100 plus days away from being unlocked. 1kCBHC are under 9 hours and thats not even fully double pills.

[muljostpho]

Before I did the UCCs that I've done so far I had looked over the options (filtering for what I felt would be least annoying for me) and kinda planned out what would cover the first 10 of them... And then when I actually did those first 5 it kinda devolved into me just doing whatever regardless of the plans.

So in my plans for the first 10 I wrote down:
1 1xPBC
2 3xPBC
3 5xPBC
4 5xPBC, 1xUPC
5 5xPBC, 3xUPC
6 5xPBC, 5xUPC
7 5xPBC, 5xUPC, 1xNDMC
8 5xPBC, 5xUPC, 2xNDMC
9 5xPBC, 5xUPC, 3xNDMC
10 5xPBC, 5xUPC, 3xNDMC, 2xNDC

But what I actually did so far is:
1 1xPBC
2 1xPBC, 1xUPC
3 1xPBC, 1xUPC, 1xPMC, 1xCPC
4 5xUUC, 5xBHC, 5xMMC, 2xNDC, 1xDRC
5 1xUPC, 2xNDMC, 1xTLC, 1xPBC

NRC and NRDC are higher value than anything in what I had planned so far or anything I actually used so far, though. 5xNRC will add up to 15M points and 5xNRDC will add up to 22.5M points. Together that's 37.5M, so just 2.5M short of the 40M goal for UCC20.

[Haakon]

How quick were your PBCs to warrant them over some other ones.
A PBC would take me 7-8 hours and it's not much more stats than 1kC or NDC which I do in a third of the time. Or was this before UCC statistic values we changed (I know they got a rebalancing at some point) right now early ones will be done easily with normal challenges like UUC, BHC, NDC, 1kC. When I'm otherwise occupied and busy then longer rebirth things like NRC, 1kcBHC and such will be good. I'll make a plan for these when I'm nearly done with AACs

[muljostpho]

Not sure. And honestly, I didn't really give much thought to time. I was thinking more about what I could stand repeating. Like I never really liked 1kC or 1kBHC much for limiting the clones like they did, so I would not be too likely to want to repeat them. (Side note: I do not look forward to starting UfCCs. Early runs might be okay but it's going to get rough in later runs as the amount of starting clones gets smaller and smaller. I think it's down to just 1 clone in the final one.) Doesn't matter that my fastest 1kC on record is just under 2 hours or that I could probably manage even faster than that since it was ages ago with weaker stats. That's just not something that I'd want to put myself through again if I can avoid it. I'd find that tedious and annoying. And PBCs are one that I did like and do still like.

Let's see... I made a backup save before starting the PBC in UCC1 at 11:23 AM on 7/4/23, and then the backup before I started UCC2 was at 12:19 PM on 7/5/23... I made a backup before starting UCC2's PBC at 12:22 PM on 7/5/23 and then the backup before the UPC was at 4:27 AM on 7/6/23...I made a backup before UCC3's PBC at 10:37 PM on 7/6/23 and then the backup before the PMC was at 4:46 PM on 7/7/23... In UCC4 I didn't touch PBC at all and was messing around in a lot of low value stuff (I think I was specifically curious in that one to set some new fastest times in various challenges that I hadn't touched since I completed them years earlier)... In UCC5 I did a PBC last in that run, the backup was at 4:48 PM on 7/12/23 and then after the end of that UCC I made a backup before GGC11 at 11:00 PM on 7/13/23...

I guess that looks like they were each longer than a day then? Although timestamps on the backups aren't always going to be a good measure of how long something takes. (I screw around not in any challenges quite a bit between a lot of my pre-challenge backups.
There's also just being AFK when it finishes and not getting back to it until hours later.) Backups aren't going to indicate time very well unless there's some obvious chaining going on like with my UUCs within my UCC4 where each backup is 7-10 minutes apart.

Anyway, those UCCs / those PBCs in UCCs were with... 25 of my UBCs done. So it could be better by some amount (don't know how much) now that I have all 50 UBCs done. Just haven't tried any more PBCs recently.

I do tend to not give much thought to the 5 life limit within PBC when thinking about it though. To be fair that does make the 1st rebirth in it somewhat NRC-like (basically a feed run, going by my fastest NRC time) instead of being able to start with rebirths a few minutes long like in a DRC or like in the DBC / in the 1st day of the RTI challenge. Although when I originally did PBCs 1-25 in July 2018 to January 2019 I seem to recall overdoing it on the rebirth lengths and getting all of them done in 3 rebirths or less instead of ever using all 5 rebirths.

Hmm... Looking at the backups before PBCs 1-5, even back then in those early runs with those lower P.Baals as targets it looks like my backups were a bit over 24 hours apart. Just like what I just noted about my UCC PBCs (which are with P.Baal 25 as the target).
Curious.