How long to get a maxxed ultimate crystal?

[Chojoukif]

I'm trying to figure whether it's worth it to try to evolve my ape but I'm not 100% sure how the nitty gritty details of crystal conversions work (the wiki doesn't seem to have much on the topic either). According to my current calculations it should take 323 hours ~ 13.5 days, can anyone confirm, even if only from memory whether this sounds correct?
For reference, I have the pet stone crystal boost (+25% conversion rate) and nothing else that affects UB's, module leveling speed or anything else that's relevant.

[luizpedronovak]

FROM MEMORY it was around 7 days. If you play optimally and spend energy ONLY on Ultimate module, my calculation says around 5 days.

How did you calculate exactly? It seems too much, even without all the Challenge bonuses.

You can use this spreadsheet : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nVzUV0KHgukuujgMwDYIMOHtiL2B8bWG-Bmgk_P4mSc/edit?usp=drivesdk You make a copy to your drive, insert your game export and it calculates for you. As a test, I simply removed all data from challenges (tab PlayerStats) then started messing with values in column N tab "Crystal". 107 hours to get module level 24, 112 to reach the Ulti crystal. Check it out, it may help.

But I believe it's less than 13 days.

[Chojoukif]

Thanks for the help, I would be elated if it turned out to be that short but then I must be really messing up my calculations (I am also assuming optimal play and spending all energy on ultimate module). I wrote a small script to do the calculation but as I said I'm not exactly sure how the conversion works (and of course it's more than possible that I've made a mistake as well). I'll attach it at the end of the post if you can spot a mistake.

Uhh, I'm trying to use the spreadsheet you provided but how do I actually copy it my drive? (sorry if this is a stupid question, I virtually never use spreadsheets)

void calculateCrystalProgress(int hrs) {
    int total = 0;
    int moduleLevel = 0;
    int crystals = 0;
    int nextModuleCost = 300;
    int moduleCostUp = 150;
    double startingEff = 0.60;
    int maxSeen = 1;
    for (int i = 1; i < hrs; i++) {
        crystals += moduleLevel * 6;
        double eff = max(0.05,min(0.95, startingEff + 0.25 + min(0.25,moduleLevel*0.01)));
        int maxLevelCrystal = 0;
        double crystals_ = crystals;
        while (crystals_ > 1.0) {
            maxLevelCrystal++;
            crystals_ = std::round(crystals_*eff);
            eff = max(0.05, min(0.95, startingEff + 0.25 + min(0.25, moduleLevel * 0.01) - 0.05 * maxLevelCrystal));
            //maxLevelCrystal++;
        }
        if (maxLevelCrystal > maxSeen) {
            maxSeen = maxLevelCrystal;
            std::cout << "level " << maxLevelCrystal << " at " << i << " hours and " << crystals << " crystals" << std::endl;
        }
        
        total += 100 + (i % 2 == 0) * 200 + (i % 3 == 0) * 300 + (i % 4 == 0) * 400 + (i % 5 == 0) * 500;

        while (true) {
            if (total >= nextModuleCost) {
                total -= nextModuleCost;
                nextModuleCost += moduleCostUp;
                moduleLevel += 1;
                continue;
            }
            break;
        }
    }
}

[rarestMeow]

hello,

Originally posted by Chojoukif:

According to my current calculations it should take 323 hours ~ 13.5 days, can anyone confirm, even if only from memory whether this sounds correct?

I fully finished MCC and the later one required to create x16 lv20 Ultimate crystal and I done it in 4-5 days while also producing other crystals (PMC, NRC, CPC done, with all extra boosts from ChP and PS). producing x1 lv20 Ultimate crystal shouldn't take ~13.5 days even without all upgrades

my spreadsheet calculations say that I can create x1 lv20 Ultimate crystal in ~44 hours (if I will only concentrate on them and don't mind other crystals). PMC shortens time by 50%, NRC by 20%, CPC by 25%. so if we cut all those bonuses (~44h * 50% * 20% * 25%) we get somewhat 100h, so a bit more than 4 days - but it means that you always upgrade your crystal module and don't produce other crystals. 5-6 days sounds more likely, so @luizpedronovak is right

[Chojoukif]

Originally posted by rarestMeow:

hello,

Originally posted by Chojoukif:

According to my current calculations it should take 323 hours ~ 13.5 days, can anyone confirm, even if only from memory whether this sounds correct?

I fully finished MCC and the later one required to create x16 lv20 Ultimate crystal and I done it in 4-5 days while also producing other crystals (PMC, NRC, CPC done, with all extra boosts from ChP and PS). producing x1 lv20 Ultimate crystal shouldn't take ~13.5 days even without all upgrades

my spreadsheet calculations say that I can create x1 lv20 Ultimate crystal in ~44 hours (if I will only concentrate on them and don't mind other crystals). PMC shortens time by 50%, NRC by 20%, CPC by 25%. so if we cut all those bonuses (~44h * 50% * 20% * 25%) we get somewhat 100h, so a bit more than 4 days - but it means that you always upgrade your crystal module and don't produce other crystals. 5-6 days sounds more likely

Hmm, well if I include the CP crystal conversion boost(+5%) which I don't unfortunately have, my script says it should take 126 hours which is at least in the same ball park as your estimate. That would indicate that the initial estimate of 323 hours would be roughly correct too :/

[76561198349057198]

spreadsheet top left "file" => make a copy

[Chojoukif]

Originally posted by a15:

spreadsheet top left "file" => make a copy

Ah thanks! Actually you helped me find what the problem was, for some reason all the controls on my docs file were hidden, I was wondering why I couldn't interact with anything but apparently I needed to press esc to show the controls, go figure.

[muljostpho]

I have about 2.75 days between the time stamps on a save backup I made before starting my 5th run of the MCC and a save backup I made before starting my 6th run of the MCC just after that. (MCC 5 asks for 1 maxed ultimate crystal.) So MCC 5 was started and finished somewhere between 2/5/22 11:29AM and 2/8/22 5:16AM.

Hmm, I've done my first 12 MCCs. MCC 11 asks for 2 maxed ultimate crystals. The timestamps on my saves for MCCs 11 and 12 are 5/11/22 1:24 AM and 5/13/22 11:58 PM. About 2.94 days. How curious that it's so close to the same despite doubling the results that it wants to see. Anyway...

I'm not likely to have done things in the most efficient way possible (my timing in spending energy to upgrade it would've been trash and I would've thrown at least a level or two at each of the other modules as well), but those runs were done with several relevant challenge rewards in effect. CPCs done (modules take 7.5 minutes per cycle instead of 10 minutes per cycle). PMCs done (doubles energy dropped by UBs). NRCs done (UB spawn timers are tier x 48 minutes instead of tier x 60 minutes). No UCCs though (I think after 20 UCCs some of that can be improved a bit more). Of course I have the same 25% conversion boost you mentioned.

If I didn't have all of those bonuses? Add some time for UB spawns taking longer and modules producing slower. Add some time for UBs dropping less energy, which would mean needing more cycles of UB spawns to save up the energy to upgrade the module. (And remember that module level sets the number of grade 1 crystals produced per cycle. You want it upgraded as early as possible so it spends more time running at a higher production rate.) Does that expand my 2.75 days into your estimate of 13.5 days? I can't say for certain but I guess it could be plausible.

There's probably some sort of crystal calculator that someone has made publicly available. I haven't looked into it myself but you might want to check the discord or the wiki for that.

edit: lol, no replies were here yet when I typed this
edit2: oh yeah, I have the 5% from ChP as well

[muljostpho]

Originally posted by Chojoukif:

Originally posted by a15:

spreadsheet top left "file" => make a copy

Ah thanks! Actually you helped me find what the problem was, for some reason all the controls on my docs file were hidden, I was wondering why I couldn't interact with anything but apparently I needed to press esc to show the controls, go figure.

Wait, it's looking screwy for me too. I don't usually do much with google docs (I just throw together my own sheets in openoffice on my own system, if I can) but the last time I had looked at it there was an actual menu bar and as I look at it now it's just a search bar that you type in what thing from the menu bar you want to find. Pressing esc does not change it for me.

edit: arrow icon on the right brought the actual menu bar out

[Chojoukif]

Originally posted by muljostpho:

Originally posted by Chojoukif:

Ah thanks! Actually you helped me find what the problem was, for some reason all the controls on my docs file were hidden, I was wondering why I couldn't interact with anything but apparently I needed to press esc to show the controls, go figure.

Wait, it's looking screwy for me too. I don't usually do much with google docs (I just throw together my own sheets in openoffice on my own system, if I can) but the last time I had looked at it there was an actual menu bar and as I look at it now it's just a search bar that you type in what thing from the menu bar you want to find. Pressing esc does not change it for me.

I know that feel, I don't know if it'll help but try navigating to the doc from your google drive, you should get a pop up saying "press esc to show controls". Hope this helps

[Chojoukif]

Hmm, so I tried @luizpedronovak spreadsheet but I still can't confirm how long it'll take, the spreadsheet only has 200 rows and it doesn't reach level 20 by then so assuming I haven't done something stupid even according to the spreadsheet it's upwards of 200+ hours. Comparing the other thresholds there are differences but the ballparks seem to be the same with what my own script says. If anyone knows how to use the spreadsheet to actually check the exact hours for a maxxed ultimate crystal I would really appreaciate it, here is my stat export:

Idling to Rule the Gods - statistics export for Chojoukif, Steam version.

Available GP: 24968
Total GP spent: 35866
GP spent for stats multi: 1550
Max Shadow Clones: 5.000 million
Creating Speed: 19,295 %, (100 % base + 14,000 % from god power + 3,951 % from crystal power) * 1 from pet equip * 1 from spacedim * 1.06892 from RTI.*
Creation Speed including all temporary boosts (bonus from godly liquids (* 1), offline/ad point bonus, creating stat (* 10), newbie boost, challenge modifiers): 192,949 %
Building Speed: 78,201 %, (100 % base + 50,000 % from god power + 3,951 % from crystal power) * 1.00564 from pet equip * 1.3 equipped crystals * 1.03525 from spacedim * 1.069 from RTI * 1 from UfCC.
Building Speed including all temporary boosts (bonus from chakra pills (* 1), challenge modifiers): 78,201 %
Crystal Power: 7,055
Creation Count: 112

Time online: 395 days, 19:34:51 hours
Time offline: 138 days, 7:45:22 hours
God Power / hour since beginning: 4.75 (60,834)
God Power / hour since 534 days, 3:20:12 hours: 4.54 (58,177)
Crystal Power / hour since beginning: 0.55 (7,902)
Crystal Power / hour since 534 days, 3:20:12 hours: 0.47 (6,055)

Light Clones: 87,068
Light Clones / hour since 534 days, 3:20:12 hours: 6.67 (85,568)
Total Spacedim Levels: 45,438

Fastest time to defeat ITRTGV4: 0.00 sec
UBV4 points: 0

Rebirths: 799
Total Might: 273,680
Strongest God defeated: 78 (P. Baal v 50)

AFK Clones killed: 3.190 trillion
Highest Afky God Power: 1.050 trillion
Afky exp multi: 257,113.82

Unlocked Pets: 46
Evolved Pets: 22
Total Pet Dungeon Levels: 1,229
Total Pet growth: 683,579

Dungeon Rooms beaten: 41,054
Dungeon Enemies defeated: 258,305
Dungeon Bosses defeated: 1,902

Fishing Level: 9
Fish Power: 1.604 million

Pet equip hp bonus: 120.55%
Pet equip attack bonus: 23.1%
Pet equip mystic bonus: 6.79%
Pet equip regen bonus: 0%
Pet equip building speed bonus: 0.56%
Pet equip creating speed bonus: 0%

Challenge Points: 3,417

Chp Planet Level: 0
Chp Divinity boost: 1%
Chp Damage Reduction UBs: 25%
Chp Crystal Upgrade boost: 0%
Chp Damage Boost V2s: 0%
Chp CP boost: 0%
Chp TBS Level Loss decrease: 0%
Chp Pet Stone Drop boost: 1%
Chp Adv EXP boost: 0%
Chp Dungeon Drop boost: 0%
Chp Dungeon Exp boost: 0%
Chp Crafting boost: 0%
Chp SpaceDim boost: 0%

Overflow Points: 1,100
OfP Black Hole: 40
OfP Black Hole Upgrade: 50
OfP Gem Cap: 15
OfP Gem Gain: 0%
OfP V2 Auto Kill: 250
OfP Hp Regen: 0%
OfP Crystal Power: 0%
OfP Space Dim: 0%
OfP Creating Stat: 0%
OfP Powersurge: 0%
OfP Creation Count: 0%
OfP Might Speed: 0%
OfP Stats Multi: 0%

RTI

Physical perm level: 6,562
Mystic perm level: 6,302
Battle perm level: 6,288
Creating perm level: 6,283
TBS perm level: 6,472
God Crystal perm level: 6,286
Space Dim perm level: 6,285
Divinity perm level: 6,328
Building Speed perm level: 6,305
Creating Speed perm level: 6,281

God Power Challenges: 8 / 25
Ultimate Universe Challenges: 45 / 45
Monument Multi Challenges: 41 / 40
All Achievements Challenges: 15 / 50
Black Hole Challenges: 40 / 40
Ultimate Black Hole Challenges: 3 / 9,999
Ultimate Pet Challenges: 20 / 20
Pet Level Challenges: 25 / 25
Crystal Power Challenges: 0 / 25
Total Might Challenges: 1 / 25
No Div Monument Challenges: 5 / 21
SpaceDim Challenges: 5 / 20
Double Rebirth Challenges: 25 / 25
God Skip Challenges: 6 / 26
1000 Clones Challenges: 3 / 40
No Rebirth Challenges: 0 / 20
P. Baal Challenges: 7 / 25
Ultimate Baal Challenges: 18 / 50
Clone Buildup Challenges: 25 / 25
Day Baal Challenge highest Baal: 12
Day Universe Challenge highest universes: 2,990
Day Pet Challenge highest Multi: 424
Day Might Challenge highest might: 14,795
Day No Divinity Challenge highest points: 8.624 million
Road to Infinity highest Baal: 17

[luizpedronovak]

Your code and the spreadsheet are converging very well until 250 hours; then the spreadsheet says 251 hours you get the crystal, and your code doesn't actually says that until 323 hours.

Your code:
(...)
module 35 level 19 at 210 hours and 28698 crystals
module 35 level 19 at 211 hours and 28908 crystals

The spreadsheet :
211 35 28872 19

The small difference is my fault, at some point I messed up, and it does not change anything of importance. Anyway:

1) your logic seems correct up to that point, so I would say it's related to rounding; Neither the game or the spreadsheet go too far into the decimal points, while your code in c++ goes;
2) the 5% difference of Challenge Points are HUGE. Change from 11 days to 6 or something.

That said, you can probably expect a week. If you can get the bonus from Chp, everything will go much more smooth.

[Chojoukif]

Originally posted by luizpedronovak:

Your code and the spreadsheet are converging very well until 250 hours; then the spreadsheet says 251 hours you get the crystal, and your code doesn't actually says that until 323 hours.

Your code:
(...)
module 35 level 19 at 210 hours and 28698 crystals
module 35 level 19 at 211 hours and 28908 crystals

The spreadsheet :
211 35 28872 19

The small difference is my fault, at some point I messed up, and it does not change anything of importance. Anyway:

1) your logic seems correct up to that point, so I would say it's related to rounding; Neither the game or the spreadsheet go too far into the decimal points, while your code in c++ goes;
2) the 5% difference of Challenge Points are HUGE. Change from 11 days to 6 or something.

That said, you can probably expect a week. If you can get the bonus from Chp, everything will go much more smooth.

I see so I guess it really is in the 10+ day range then, thank you for your hard work, and every one else as well, I really appreaciate the help :)

[luizpedronovak]

Originally posted by Chojoukif:

(...)
Challenge Points: 3,417
(...)
Chp Crystal Upgrade boost: 0%
(...)

Well, if you change to add the Chp 5% on your code, you will see the difference; it goes to the previous 5 or 6 days I had said. (126 hours, if I changed the code correctly; It's late here and I'm sleepy. Confirm please). Since you have a lot of Chp, you can use that and reduce that time by a lot.

[Chojoukif]

Originally posted by luizpedronovak:

Originally posted by Chojoukif:

(...)
Challenge Points: 3,417
(...)
Chp Crystal Upgrade boost: 0%
(...)

Well, if you change to add the Chp 5% on your code, you will see the difference; it goes to the previous 5 or 6 days I had said. (126 hours, if I changed the code correctly; It's late here and I'm sleepy. Confirm please). Since you have a lot of Chp, you can use that and reduce that time by a lot.

Yes you are correct, I ran that calculation earlier in the thread :)
I have a lot of ChP but unfortunately most of it is already committed on extra dungeon slots, I'm contemplating whether to reset just for the evo but the 1000 GP cost is still kind of a lot for me at this time. decisions decisions...