No trainer or save editing?

[strayerdouglas]

I certainly understand that the developer is working on this title and love what is being done. But asking people not to use cheat engine or try to mod save files would be a lot easier if there was some kind of console commands or a built in "cheat" code for money, at least. I usually use cheat engine on all games that don't include console commands, or have readily available trainers or cheats available. And before you flame me for that, that is just how I like to play, the number one thing I want to do is try some of the different ships out and with there prices, I dont have the time available to me to grind to get even one of them purchased let alone try out multiples. I can't speak for everyone, but in my experience asking a cheater not to try and cheat is never an answer. So I am just proposing that if there were a simple code or way to even just cheat up some extra money. Then people would not even try to hack files and make head aches for the developers. And for those purists that have distaste for this sort of activity play your way I do not critize we all game for fun. Just saying unless someone is activily working on game balance or something what does it hurt if others of us cheat up a little money?

[Elder Drake]

I would like this also and made a thread awhile back. I can undestand the hesitancy to put something into the game that may ruin the experience being crafted, but there are also times you want to really test how a situation would play a certain way or just make a silly save along with your serious one to have the uber Avengers style team of doom.

My .02 and I understand if this is never added, but is sure would be fun :)

[scadragon]

agreed

[Stellar Tactics]

Here is the deal - You paid to play the game - thank you! Play the game the way you like. The game is not competitive so if you choose to cheat, that's fine and I'm sure everyone would agree.

I don't mind if players want to edit their saves - I just need to know that anyone who does will not report crashes, bugs and balance issues if you have modified your files. It will save me a lot of time. I'm the only developer so when I look into bugs, other work on the game comes to a stop.

I cannot guarantee that your saves will work after they have been edited. Adding credits using a cheat tool is likely fairly benign, but you never know.

I'll look into adding a few cheats when I'm sure changing the data won't break anything - especially player feedback related to balance issues. Player feedback related to earnings from activities will be very important a few patches from now when the rest of the core money earning systems are in the game.

[Elder Drake]

Originally posted by Stellar Tactics:

Here is the deal - You paid to play the game - thank you! Play the game the way you like. The game is not competitive so if you choose to cheat, that's fine and I'm sure everyone would agree.

I don't mind if players want to edit their saves - I just need to know that anyone who does will not report crashes, bugs and balance issues if you have modified your files. It will save me a lot of time. I'm the only developer so when I look into bugs, other work on the game comes to a stop.

I cannot guarantee that your saves will work after they have been edited. Adding credits using a cheat tool is likely fairly benign, but you never know.

I'll look into adding a few cheats when I'm sure changing the data won't break anything - especially player feedback related to balance issues. Player feedback related to earnings from activities will be very important a few patches from now when the rest of the core money earning systems are in the game.

Thank you for the reply to this topic, I am always blown away by your commitment to this game and to actively engaging your community.

I think people will just like the option, I know myself that if presented with it I will have a normal save and an crazy one for a different kind of fun (but I sure am not going to ruin the experience my first time around, personal choice). Anyways keep up the good work because I think this is one of the best indie EA titles out there. Quality. Transparency. Genuine Customer Care. Rare things these days for any of those but you are nailing it

[strayerdouglas]

bearhiderug, agreed it is completely counter to your preference but it isn't to others, why does it matter to anyone how another person dervies their fun? From your post I take it your saying you don't like it so it is good the way it is, and it is good. But just because there is a cheat code or two thrown in doesn't mean you have to use it. And in no way affects development. Because if the developer throws in the code it shouldn't break anything or cause any stability issue. Only save editing and using third party apps should cause problems. People that can't play enough to earn enough money for different ships, could still try them out. Like others have said, they could have mulitple saves, a serious one, and one where they can have a whole fleet of ships if they want. A few developer added cheat codes, in no wat affects development,they shouldn't break anything and enough people like you won't use them, and certainly no one trying to test balance would use them either.

[strayerdouglas]

Either way this is my favorite game keep up the good work. I think it flows great, really like the turn based ground combat and think real time is a better choice for the space combat.

[Thargoid]

"I dont have the time available to me to grind to get even one of them purchased let alone try out multiples."

I'm the father of 2 and have little time here and there to play. I still bought the game to encourage a very devoted developer to continue with a great project. I will still play and, no matter how long it takes, play it the way the developer intends. If I felt I needed cheat codes to play the game, then that game is not for me. Not sure why you bought it if you don't have the time to play to be honest?


I can't speak for everyone, but in my experience asking a cheater not to try and cheat is never an answer.

Seriously? How do you go through life?

Sorry if I sound snappy, but entitled attitudes seem rule supreme on the internet and that kind of attitude can cause developers to just give up... to the detriment of its loyal fanbase :P

[Elder Drake]

Originally posted by Thargoid:

"I dont have the time available to me to grind to get even one of them purchased let alone try out multiples."

I'm the father of 2 and have little time here and there to play. I still bought the game to encourage a very devoted developer to continue with a great project. I will still play and, no matter how long it takes, play it the way the developer intends. If I felt I needed cheat codes to play the game, then that game is not for me. Not sure why you bought it if you don't have the time to play to be honest?


I can't speak for everyone, but in my experience asking a cheater not to try and cheat is never an answer.

Seriously? How do you go through life?

Sorry if I sound snappy, but entitled attitudes seem rule supreme on the internet and that kind of attitude can cause developers to just give up... to the detriment of its loyal fanbase :P

All due respect, please do not talk down to me. People have asked for an optional feature, never expected it, and we have given reasons why. How that justifies an "entitled" label and go on to imply it is a toxic request blows my mind. UP, UP, DOWN, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, B, A, START. Anyone who knows that knows that codes/cheats go WAY back in gaming and were created to have fun by developers for customers.

Do not tell me I am not a loyal fan or even imply such either. I am a father, in my forties, and have bought this title 4 times (for friends) because I support the developer. His stated reasons for making the game won me, as a father, over instantly and I have been surprised at the commitment he has shown to this game. Not for nothing but I own my own small business and I employee people so how do I get through life? Happy and well thank you.

I hate even replying to this but as a mature successful family man it rankles me a bit. What you like and others like will differ, that is normal. We all love the game and respect the developer or we would not be here though, we are on the same team even if we differ in opinions. Please read reasons why a dev console/cheat was asked for and see if that still is an example of being entitled or enough enough to label people cheaters (in all life aspects the implication seems). It is not. Anyways this reply is from the gut, not to be that typical jerk that trolls forums. I respect your view, but with further due respect not the tone or insinuations.

Best Wishes and happy gaming.

[Shilana]

On of the biggest uses and and primary reason that "cheat codes" in a game, especially during testing/development is to assist with testing of certain modules of the game.

Primary example would be: Testing of an upgrade cycle of ship parts and ship models. Lets say this costs 5 million credits to fully upgrade a ship class. It takes 30 hours easily to make 5 million credits. Each time there is a chance, you need to test from the start of the upgrade cycle again.

You have the scenario in place. Changes to this upgrade cycle happen every 3 days.

This means that every time there is a change, Testers (which we as early access purchasers are happily volunteering to assist with testing because we want to see this succeed) have to spend 30 hours just to TEST the changes, then 5-20 hours reproducing any errors and documenting all the ways they occur, then another you've basically hit the 3 day window and there's another change you need to do this from the start again.

However with a development mode / cheat code in place. The testers can immedietely start the testing of the changes and not the 30 hour grind to reach that test spot again.

This is purely from the point of view of a developer and tester, and not from the point of view of any "Cheater" or any other negative connontation trolls choose to apply to this post.

[Priest]

Its singleplayer, so there are no cheats, you cant cheat yourself.
The simple issue is that i would like to see if the game is now playable. But there is no way to skip the startgame. So no way to do that


simple sollution
Add a cheat menue or console commands.
(and please not overdriven like many trainers do it by adding 999 Skillpoints at once)
As soon as the console commands or the cheat menue is activated add a popup that you dont want feeedback about balance or issues from this point on in the savegame. And maybe add a small icon like a small red star in a corner of the screen that show in every following screenshot that in the game (the savegame) these "Cheats" have been used.

(Like the X series show the use of mods by adding a "modefied" on the status screen, or Brigade 7.62 by VERY UGLY renaming the mainchar to written in big red letters "CHEATER")

[skiiwa]

Could really use a cheat to skip the main story. Hard to test later game content with so little game time available to me.

[Hades]

So do any Console commands or cheats exists yet ?
Maybe next year ?

[nobrien]

until the game is feature complete and mostly ready for release Don cant be thinking about any of those types of features, he has stated this quite clearly before .

that is not say NO to those types of things but only not now while so much is still being worked on changed and changed again,

also keep in mind he is working quite hard trying to keep the game progress save compatible between updates and that can make things longer.