Biorobots. Pros/Cons?

[Delta Prime]

Hey, player here currently considering to to get the biorobots rolling off the workshop for the achievment, was wondering if anyone could tell me a few details about them?

[losbastardosmas]

They don't die, have flaws and perks, can be specialized, eat food and have the same dumb AI of the other colonist. All and all not so bad.

[JDaft]

The pinnacle of technology, the ultimate creation of humanity, artificial people who never age or die and what do we use with this godlike power of life and death? Yeah, they work in the grocery store.

[Delta Prime]

Originally posted by Daft:

The pinnacle of technology, the ultimate creation of humanity, artificial people who never age or die and what do we use with this godlike power of life and death? Yeah, they work in the grocery store.

You sir, deserve and oscar.

[Delta Prime]

Originally posted by losbastardosmas:

They don't die, have flaws and perks, can be specialized, eat food and have the same dumb AI of the other colonist. All and all not so bad.

Hmm so they just dont die, can the flaws be removed the same as colonists if they visit a sanitarium?

[JDaft]

Being serious, as far as I know, they act like "normal" colonists except they don't age or have children. They can be educated at the University, be retrained at a Sanatorium and the like. But yes, if they do not train in a specialisation, you will see them in the diner and grocery store which feels silly to me.

[Black Jesus]

Originally posted by Daft:

Being serious, as far as I know, they act like "normal" colonists except they don't age or have children. They can be educated at the University, be retrained at a Sanatorium and the like. But yes, if they do not train in a specialisation, you will see them in the diner and grocery store which feels silly to me.

Not silly for the companies or individuals that own that store. Never aging means they never retire they can accrue skill and experience indefinitely and skill and experience is useful in any job no matter how dumb and menial it is. Their Bio-Mechanical nature should also give them resistance and immunity to alot of dieases and disorders that means less spent on healthcare.

From a Colonial level it really doesn't matter these artificial entities are gonna be used in alot of different sectors. If we were to invent sci fi grade smart AI equipped androids tomorrow do you really think they'd be relegated to advanced positions only? Ok they may be reserved for advanced jobs first but they will trickle down into menial and dangerous labor as soon as the tech becomes standardized driving down it's cost. You see this with modern robotics now it's used in civil and industrial areas it did not exist in 20, 30 years ago. It also depends on the nature of the culture utilizing said tech for example Japan uses robotics in a completely different way then the United States they prioritize robots for tasks we haven't really considered yet such as artificial love interests all because of different cultural and market needs.

[Seiggrain Hart]

Originally posted by Black Jesus:

Originally posted by Daft:

Being serious, as far as I know, they act like "normal" colonists except they don't age or have children. They can be educated at the University, be retrained at a Sanatorium and the like. But yes, if they do not train in a specialisation, you will see them in the diner and grocery store which feels silly to me.

Not silly for the companies or individuals that own that store. Never aging means they never retire they can accrue skill and experience indefinitely and skill and experience is useful in any job no matter how dumb and menial it is. Their Bio-Mechanical nature should also give them resistance and immunity to alot of dieases and disorders that means less spent on healthcare.

From a Colonial level it really doesn't matter these artificial entities are gonna be used in alot of different sectors. If we were to invent sci fi grade smart AI equipped androids tomorrow do you really think they'd be relegated to advanced positions only? Ok they may be reserved for advanced jobs first but they will trickle down into menial and dangerous labor as soon as the tech becomes standardized driving down it's cost. You see this with modern robotics now it's used in civil and industrial areas it did not exist in 20, 30 years ago. It also depends on the nature of the culture utilizing said tech for example Japan uses robotics in a completely different way then the United States they prioritize robots for tasks we haven't really considered yet such as artificial love interests all because of different cultural and market needs.

We've seen that nowadays anyway. Ever hear stories about how a robot replaced some factory worker in his job? I'm sure once we develop robots to the level of Biorobots, or androids, or synths, or any other humanoid robot seen in sci-fi, then yes... they'll be working everywhere. Leaving the humans to do things like research or managment.

EDIT: The real question comes from when the AI in the robots reaches sentience, if it ever does. Like Detroit Become Human plays with, the concept of creating a humanoid robot, and it reaching sentience is a very morally grey area. That is, how should we treat something like that? Is it slavery, or servitude? Should we allow such things to exist, knowing they might rebel and destroy humanity for enslaving it?

[For_Science!]

Originally posted by Seiggrain Hart:

Should we allow such things to exist, knowing they might rebel and destroy humanity for enslaving it?

So don't enslave them?

Until we know more, a good starting rule of thumb is, "Anything that tells you it wants to be considered a person, is a person." (Note that this is a sufficient but not a necessary condition. Someone who <i>can't</i> tell you they're a person -- such a pre-verbal infant -- may well still be one.)

[Seiggrain Hart]

Originally posted by For_Science!:

Originally posted by Seiggrain Hart:

Should we allow such things to exist, knowing they might rebel and destroy humanity for enslaving it?

So don't enslave them?

Until we know more, a good starting rule of thumb is, "Anything that tells you it wants to be considered a person, is a person." (Note that this is a sufficient but not a necessary condition. Someone who <i>can't</i> tell you they're a person -- such a pre-verbal infant -- may well still be one.)

That's kind of the point I was trying to get across. In Detroit Become Human, the androids that have somehow become selfaware and sentient are deemed defective and "Fixed." How morally correct is that? Should we deliberatly prevent them from becoming some robotic lifeform, or should we embrace the idea that science has gone far enough that such a thing has become possible? And if we do, then what?

[For_Science!]

Originally posted by Seiggrain Hart:

That's kind of the point I was trying to get across. In Detroit Become Human, the androids that have somehow become selfaware and sentient are deemed defective and "Fixed." How morally correct is that? Should we deliberatly prevent them from becoming some robotic lifeform, or should we embrace the idea that science has gone far enough that such a thing has become possible? And if we do, then what?

Ah. I'm not really familiar with Detroit: Become Human, but my view is that trying to permanently prevent AI or artificial life would be both foolish and futile. And trying to enslave it would be evil.

So when the time comes, proceed gradually and with caution, but proceed. Trust that it's possible for more than one type of intelligence to coexist in the universe, and actively work to help that happen.

"Then Tak looked upon the stone and it was trying to come alive, and Tak smiled, and wrote 'All things strive'."
- Terry Pratchett

[City Builder]

So you can have an entire colony of them? Never dying, always working? Or do you have to have humans?

[eMYNOCK]

Originally posted by City Builder:

So you can have an entire colony of them? Never dying, always working? Or do you have to have humans?

technically you can replace all humans one by one with BioBots... they will not get "born" like humans, they never age or die to old age... but you require workers in the drone facility to create them.

if you are lucky and have bio-bots AND cloning vats you will never ever need to recruit new settlers from earth... you can let them die out and if you desire simply clone your new initial humans... that can reproduce the natural way.

[BLÀde]

Originally posted by City Builder:

So you can have an entire colony of them? Never dying, always working?

absolutely create your own colony of replicators!

[Rafiq 2.0]

Originally posted by Daft:

The pinnacle of technology, the ultimate creation of humanity, artificial people who never age or die and what do we use with this godlike power of life and death? Yeah, they work in the grocery store.

Nothing like getting trained as medic and end up in a casino