What is collaboration losses?

[Devil Dog]

I see this with multiple explorers, but just noticed it's also happening with multiple research labs. Why?

[Eagle_of_Fire]

You do realise that, for research buildings, collaboration loss is per dome... Which mean that it make no sense whatsoever to "specialize" a dome to science?

[Bored Peon]

Първоначално публикувано от Eagle_of_Fire:

You do realise that, for research buildings, collaboration loss is per dome... Which mean that it make no sense whatsoever to "specialize" a dome to science?

Yeah I pointed that out earlier.

For a basic dome it does. As I said earlier you can easily do 3 research without much of a loss. So by the time ya put the institute, 3 research and network node you kinda taken up the dome becuase other half going to have to be living space.

A medium dome is a bit more of a waste, but you could throw in your schools into the dome as well.

[Devil Dog]

Well I am doing something wrong - I took the advice that more than 1 research building per dome leads to collab lose, and removed that 'extra' building, assigning the left over scientists to another dome. Both research buildings, again separate domes, are still showing collab loss.

[Bored Peon]

Is the collaboration loss shown on the building or are you seeing it on your main research screen? The one on your main research screen is the colaboration loss for rovers. The research building collaboration loss is shown on the building.

When it coems to the colloboraiton loss in the dome it is still really sketchy. Like I had 2 buildings doing about 500 research each with a 286 collaboraiton loss, it does not specify if that is the loss for that building or the loss of points from both buildings. 3 Buildings was a like a 500 production/loss. So I dropepd to two buildings.

Any way you look at it at about 5k research per sol you pretty much have eveyrthing within a few sols, evne the more expensive techs.

[Devil Dog]

I'm looking at the individual building screens. I'm pretty early on with less than 100 people and only 4 or so scientist per building. Gonna take me a long time to get to 5k.

[Larrynautik]

I also noticed a total collaboration loss with only 1 research building in my dome. They produce 1k research per sol, and lose all. Is research capped ?

[[AUT] Beazerka]

Първоначално публикувано от Larrynautik:

I also noticed a total collaboration loss with only 1 research building in my dome. They produce 1k research per sol, and lose all. Is research capped ?

Weird. No its 100% not. But that shouldnt be...

[Razter]

Първоначално публикувано от Bored Peon:

Първоначално публикувано от baddoggs:

There is a tech to reaserch unused power into research.
Get that then just spam power stations. No limit on that
as far as i have gone....

It is NOT a tech, it is a breakthrough.

The collaboration is per dome. Meaning as long as you only have one research station in a dome you are fine. You can have one in another dome and it does not give a collaboration loss.

Collaboration loss aint a big deal, long as you dont go over three research stations in a dome you be fine.

This is 100% false. Losses are based on the total number of research buildings of that type in the entire colony. It is not restricted to individual domes.

I just went back and loaded one of my old games to double check this. I had 2 domes built. Each dome had 1 scientific institute. Each one of the buildings had a loss of 150ish.

[Bored Peon]

Първоначално публикувано от Razter:

Първоначално публикувано от Bored Peon:

It is NOT a tech, it is a breakthrough.

The collaboration is per dome. Meaning as long as you only have one research station in a dome you are fine. You can have one in another dome and it does not give a collaboration loss.

Collaboration loss aint a big deal, long as you dont go over three research stations in a dome you be fine.

This is 100% false. Losses are based on the total number of research buildings of that type in the entire colony. It is not restricted to individual domes.
Yep, you are right.

I just went back and loaded one of my old games to double check this. I had 2 domes built. Each dome had 1 scientific institute. Each one of the buildings had a loss of 150ish.

Yeah I just went back and looked myself same thing. Weird I remember not having any collaboration loss. Others were saying the same? I dunno wtf, lol.

Първоначално публикувано от Eagle_of_Fire:

You do realise that, for research buildings, collaboration loss is per dome... Which mean that it make no sense whatsoever to "specialize" a dome to science?

Which brings back this point. Network Node is the reason to specialize because it increases all research in the dome.

So basically if you are going to have maybe 5 or 6 research labs in total before collaboration makes it not worht it. Then it makes more sense to have them all in the same dome with a network node.

[Wantoomany]

According to the wiki the loss is per building, reguardles of what dome they are located in. With a 10% loss per building up to a max of 50%. And while ive not tested it, it seems each research bulding is treated differently. So it would seem if you build one Research Lab and one Science Institute you should get no loss.

So it seems if you are going to go for science. You might as well go big. After 6 institues you cant get penalitized anymore.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

Първоначално публикувано от Bored Peon:

Първоначално публикувано от Eagle_of_Fire:

You do realise that, for research buildings, collaboration loss is per dome... Which mean that it make no sense whatsoever to "specialize" a dome to science?

Which brings back this point. Network Node is the reason to specialize because it increases all research in the dome.

So basically if you are going to have maybe 5 or 6 research labs in total before collaboration makes it not worht it. Then it makes more sense to have them all in the same dome with a network node.

This is a valid point.

[Bored Peon]

Първоначално публикувано от Eagle_of_Fire:

Първоначално публикувано от Bored Peon:

Which brings back this point. Network Node is the reason to specialize because it increases all research in the dome.

So basically if you are going to have maybe 5 or 6 research labs in total before collaboration makes it not worht it. Then it makes more sense to have them all in the same dome with a network node.

This is a valid point.

Yeah I am thinking a medium dome would be best.

I have tried with a small dome and I just couldnt get 3 research, 1 institute, and the network node fully staffed.

DOnt need anyhting insane because I remember reading someone crashed their game once they got to 64k research, which kinda makes sense because its one of them 64.128.256 numbers that are usually a hard code limit in most games.

[Bored Peon]

Ok so I noticed in my newest game...

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1349847332

I think this is why we got confused?

3rd shift nobody working

[Devil Dog]

Първоначално публикувано от Bored Peon:

Ok so I noticed in my newest game...I think this is why we got confused?

Sorry, I don't know what your screen cap means. I also had 3 labs under one dome, but with loss. Then I destroyed them leaving just one. Still had loss but the labs were now in different domes.

I'm all confused now.

[Bored Peon]

Първоначално публикувано от Devil Dog:

Първоначално публикувано от Bored Peon:

Ok so I noticed in my newest game...I think this is why we got confused?

Sorry, I don't know what your screen cap means. I also had 3 labs under one dome, but with loss. Then I destroyed them leaving just one. Still had loss but the labs were now in different domes.

I'm all confused now.

Yeah I dont get it either. The three had 0 collaboration loss, and the 2 institutes had 0 loss, then later they had losses.

Maybe they need to produce X amount before a collaboration takes effect?

Its an experi,emt anyways, not like im paying maintainance on them with the op scrubbers.