No more CAVE shmups on Steam? :(

[Septon]

I was so happy to see Mushihimesama, Deathsmiles and DoDonPachi Resurrection coming to Steam, and then... no more?

I would love to see Mushihimesama Futari, Espgaluda I & II, Akai Katana, Deathsmiles II, DoDonPachi DaiOuJou and SaiDaiOuJou coming too !

[nwad]

Originalmente postado por Cheese:

Thing is it could be just a shmup on Steam problem, unfortunately.
I mean, it's not just Degica published shmups that haven't been followed up on. It's also stuff like Treasure's self-published Ikaruga, and G.Rev's self-published Strania. How do we not have Radiant Silvergun or Under Defeat HD by now?

Good point. Sad, but correct.

[Daikatan]

When Housemarque release Nex Machina (twinstick shooter) and are disappointed with low sales and propose that arcades are dead... and then you see that most shmups (except 2-3 with luckiest numbers) on steam sold much less than that...........

[Rodin]

Sadly enough most gamers aren't interested in this classic genre any more:( And so the selling prices remain relativly high compared to AAA blockbuster Games.
And because of that its hard for new people to get into this wonderful genre.
A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ vicious circle!

[Daikatan]

Which is unfair cause AAA blockbuster has high % of selling to more people, and have big teams/companies behind them, while shmup devs are very small and few people will get shmups (and they cant allow themselve do low price), so its doomed circle

[Rodin]

So true. The gaming industrie has never been "fair" *^(

[cptquint]

It's a pointless comparison.

CAVE were never depending on selling to the Blockbuster demographic,
nor concerned about pricing for normies.

These games are niche. They will never be mainstream.
Those of us who value them, understand their worth.

I was under the impression, that the reason for; "No more CAVE shmups on Steam? :(",
was because of difficulties the team were having in porting these old games
to modern pc hardware.

More specifically, emulating correct slowdown.

[Rodin]

It can't be too difficult to port xbox360 games to PC.

Akai Katana
Pink Sweets / Ibara Sore Kara
Dodonpachi Saidaioujou
Espgaluda 2
Mushihimisama Futari
Deathsmiles ll

What about porting this great shmup-library???

[Rodin]

And I think cave made a great job with these 3 pc ports here on steam so far. They run smooth and look great. So why not go on porting?

[Daikatan]

Originalmente postado por cptquint:

I was under the impression, that the reason for; "No more CAVE shmups on Steam? :(",
was because of difficulties the team were having in porting these old games
to modern pc hardware.

More specifically, emulating correct slowdown.

In recent (from last autumn or smth, well) interview with M2, M2 expressed idea on doing PC ports but they had problems on win10, and no news since then

[Rodin]

As usual - Win 10 is the real enemy!

[Daikatan]

Originalmente postado por Rodin:

As usual - Win 10 is the real enemy!

or, ahem, infamous japanese programming experience for pc...

anyway, disappointing (and i brought up it cause M2 are usually the masters of perfect ports/emulations - while these Cave+Degica ports were criticized for incorrect things here and there - some stuff was fixed though?)

[Cheese]

Originalmente postado por Daikatan:

Originalmente postado por cptquint:

I was under the impression, that the reason for; "No more CAVE shmups on Steam? :(",
was because of difficulties the team were having in porting these old games
to modern pc hardware.

More specifically, emulating correct slowdown.

In recent (from last autumn or smth, well) interview with M2, M2 expressed idea on doing PC ports but they had problems on win10, and no news since then

Man, I'd kill to have M2 shmup ports here on Steam.
Between all the Shot Triggers games and things like the Darius Cozmic Collection and SEGA Ages version of Thunder Force IV, they're putting out the definitive (or at least really good) versions of some of my favorite games.

Last autumn isn't that long ago. Hopefully something comes of it.

[DAVID]

M2 is goint to release ESPRADE on consoles, dammm thats my fave cave game ever, i remember when mushihimesama was announced on pc, i send a message to cave on face and they told me about ESPRADE and other games it can be hard to port cause the right are in atlus, plus i told them about an old games pack (donpachi, dodonpachi, ESPRADE, etc) and they said it was on his mind b4 mushihimesama, but they dont told me what happend about it and instead they release mushihimesama

[FireShark]

I just bought the physical version of Ketsui for PS4, aaaaaand I don't even have a PS4. FML.

PC Cave Shmups are dead :(

[nwad]

Originalmente postado por Imma Souls Player:

I just bought the physical version of Ketsui for PS4, aaaaaand I don't even have a PS4. FML.

PC Cave Shmups are dead :(

I both admire and hate that you did that. lol. We always have to speak with our wallets, and unfortunately, that tells them to stay on console. You have seen Linux gamers insist "tux no bux" and the reason for that is pretty sensible. You must prove where the market is. Can't really blame you, though. It gets pretty old playing politics when you just want to play the games you love.

Maybe this is just fate. Maybe consoles really are just the better place for genres that hang in the balance like shmups do. I still wonder if I should have spent my money on a PS4 rather than PC upgrades (I can still sell those parts and buy a console!).

The nice part about PC is that even when consoles die out, there tend to be ways to play those games on a computer that are otherwise impossible once your console dies. PS2 is out of production now. Food for thought. I cannot condemn your love of epic shmups. I just wish we could have our cake and eat it too :P