RUINER
Yonaga Oct 2, 2017 @ 9:34am
!SPOILERS! The ending
So I beat the game today and I am a little bit disappointed, because of the lack of explanation. I know that playing games like RUINER for the story seems to be BS, but giving me 6 sentences in the end plus a HUGE cliffhanger makes me wanna cry.

So what I found out while looking trough the internet was that you are actually a clone used by your (genetical) brother to hunt down the foes that tried to use you to "KILL BOSS" and damage HEAVEN. What I didn´t understand is the part where the villain says that you are actually a clone. Maybe it is the fact that the english translation (from germany here) was a bit ♥♥♥♥ed up. The only thing that I understood was that you are his spare parts depot and you are also share the same genetical aspects. In the end I thought that you are maybe a third child used to be the spare parts depot for your brother and "SHE" is maybe your sister hiding behind that Avatar which is breaking apart.

So does the game explain in any way what happend in the end? Or is there any DLC coming soon that adds more story?

Just to add: I love this game gameplay and atmospheric wise. This shouldn´t have been a rant or something like that. I am just curious.
Last edited by Yonaga; Oct 2, 2017 @ 9:48am
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Quitch Oct 14, 2017 @ 1:25am 
But it did provide closure: you see this man the whole time throughout the game, then at the end your relationship with him and your fate are both clearly defined. You might not like that as closure, but closure it is.

It's not whether it's an objectively good ending or not (this is entertainment, that's always subjective), it's that it's a good example of the kind of ending RUINER wanted because it both brings their story to an end, yet leaves it open for sequels if desired.
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flimsy steeve Oct 14, 2017 @ 11:12am 
well, HER explicitly stated that she was complying to Boss just to fend off any trust issues about her. She made Big Brother program to you and doing that, HER proved herself trustworthy. And she played Boss like a fiddle, initializing you at the end at HEAVEN because she wanted to stop HEAVEN completely, that's why you have to kill Trafficking and Sick Sisters first
Quitch Oct 14, 2017 @ 1:04pm 
Except, as I pointed out earlier, she explicitly shows no interest in whether Trafficking lives or dies. Nor does it seem killing the Sick Sisters is part of the plan given that it is Trafficking, and not HER, who ensures you fail to reach the pod HER has marked for you. Had he not sent the pod away it seems you would never have encountered any of them.
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Yonaga Oct 14, 2017 @ 1:24pm 
Originally posted by Quitch:
Except, as I pointed out earlier, she explicitly shows no interest in whether Trafficking lives or dies. Nor does it seem killing the Sick Sisters is part of the plan given that it is Trafficking, and not HER, who ensures you fail to reach the pod HER has marked for you. Had he not sent the pod away it seems you would never have encountered any of them.
This is what I meant. Somehow weird.
UnKn0wN Oct 27, 2017 @ 2:45pm 
yeah I agree the ending was a bit of a letdown.
it seemed kinda rushed and unsatisfying.
I mean I liked the twist but it´s clearly missing a proper closure, maybe a final boss battle where you have to choose to either fight HER or your BRO, dunno just saying..
really hope the devs will give us a nice story DLC at some point, expanding the lore a bit and with a more satisfying conclusion because the game deserves it.
]{iler01 Nov 14, 2017 @ 12:47pm 
just finished the game 5 minutes ago and came looking for answers. i'm as confused as everyone here. as i take it the story goes roughly like this:

the schemers start their plot to kill the boss, the hacker takes control of you and sends you off to kill him. HER ( do we really need to use "her" constanly or can we use " she" ? ) overloads your arm to break you free of the hack, but in turn wrecks your systems, so obviously you can't continue. the reason why she doesn't just let you soldier on through everything is that 1 she can't control you, so you could just wonder into a death trap and 2 you don't have the skills to get there, i swear, try to beat the final arena with 2 dashes, no health addons and other useful stuff with the mini bosses pounding on you together with the mobs.
Besides that, Mother and King could use the oportunity to jump on HER to remove her as an obstacle and make their future plans easier.


Now, the BOSS says that he watched, so it was sanctioned by him. Meaning that HER was monitoring HEAVEN systems and acted as a security measure, rather than a saviour, she played you all the way through and the whole game you did what boss wanted you to do, until HER fliped the script on him

now the final pod part is where it gets hazy for me. did they stuff you in a pod or was there a clone of you in that pod? it can't be a clone because he acts 1 to 1 with you. sooooooooooo HER knocks you out, they stuff you in the pod, change your clothes, lets you keep the helmet and a pipe (srsly? is that like a teddy bear or something?).

the way i see it, the final timer is a nuge so you wouldn't hesitate. otherwise the BOSS could try to talk you down or you would be confused etc. and so you finish the job.

Also there's a huge logic hole in there. now if there was someone that i needed to keep alive, but who will stop at nothing to kill me, the way i see it, i'd put that bastard off the grid. put the Ruiner into the pod and take him off the network with a heavy security detail, that way HER can't hack him and she can't use hacked people to get to him. but no, let's come and give him a big hug and talk about how awesome we are.

and the meet me where heaven folds.... oh cmon guys.... i hope that you did actually have budget limitations and couldnt continue instead of thinking that it was an actually good way to end a game. the concept is very simple: each story must be self-contained, it must go from start to finish, there's nothing wrong with setting up a cliffhanger but it can't be used as an excuse to gloss over unexplained or unclear stuff.... warhammer 40k horus heresy books show it off simply. every book follows a story of a person, start to finish, during it there's contact with other people who have their stories told in other books or who get their arks wrapped up there and then, but there are roughly 30 books out already telling the same overall story. each book tells that there are other events and other plans unfolding to get your attention but they don't put it front and centre as a hook to advance the plot like this ending does.

i loved the looks and the feel and the heavy hitting combat and the story was alright until that very end, which left a bit of a bitter taste. i don't regret even a bit for paying the full price for the game + soundtrack on release. waiting for that dlc now ;)
]{iler01 Nov 14, 2017 @ 12:47pm 
(took me like an hour to write. i wonder if anyone is even going to read that :D )
Mister Nov 14, 2017 @ 2:52pm 
Originally posted by {iler01:
(took me like an hour to write. i wonder if anyone is even going to read that :D )
You can count me. Well established oppinion. Did you not miss that HER is actually a satellite program called EYE? You could miss it if you scipped the dialogue with the Hag. Considering this you can create a particular view on "meet me where Heaven falls" quote. E.g. it can mean that she calls you to the server she operates from to communicate or whatever. Though off course most of this is speculation. Story DLC would be nice, yeah. Though I don't mind a sequel tbh.
]{iler01 Nov 14, 2017 @ 3:06pm 
Originally posted by Mister:
Originally posted by {iler01:
(took me like an hour to write. i wonder if anyone is even going to read that :D )
You can count me. Well established oppinion. Did you not miss that HER is actually a satellite program called EYE? You could miss it if you scipped the dialogue with the Hag. Considering this you can create a particular view on "meet me where Heaven falls" quote. E.g. it can mean that she calls you to the server she operates from to communicate or whatever. Though off course most of this is speculation. Story DLC would be nice, yeah. Though I don't mind a sequel tbh.

sweet! :D
i talked with the hag but i didn't understand anythin that she was talking about. same as with the fortune teller :/
Mister Nov 15, 2017 @ 2:52am 
Originally posted by {iler01:
Originally posted by Mister:
You can count me. Well established oppinion. Did you not miss that HER is actually a satellite program called EYE? You could miss it if you scipped the dialogue with the Hag. Considering this you can create a particular view on "meet me where Heaven falls" quote. E.g. it can mean that she calls you to the server she operates from to communicate or whatever. Though off course most of this is speculation. Story DLC would be nice, yeah. Though I don't mind a sequel tbh.

sweet! :D
i talked with the hag but i didn't understand anythin that she was talking about. same as with the fortune teller :/
Well fortune teller just gives you a brief picture of what's gonna happen with the character in the next mission if you ask her to explain imo. Nothing special. Hag is another thing. The issue with her is that it is easy to skip the first dialogue since it goes right after the Prologue hence you have to start a New Game (delete all progress) to have 'EYE' in your info-bank.
Yonaga Nov 15, 2017 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by {iler01:
Originally posted by Mister:
You can count me. Well established oppinion. Did you not miss that HER is actually a satellite program called EYE? You could miss it if you scipped the dialogue with the Hag. Considering this you can create a particular view on "meet me where Heaven falls" quote. E.g. it can mean that she calls you to the server she operates from to communicate or whatever. Though off course most of this is speculation. Story DLC would be nice, yeah. Though I don't mind a sequel tbh.

sweet! :D
i talked with the hag but i didn't understand anythin that she was talking about. same as with the fortune teller :/
It is indeed weird in the beginning!
]{iler01 Nov 15, 2017 @ 12:13pm 
i knew from the first time i talked to her that there must be a hidden message of some sort in there, but it flew completely over my head.
Kain Nov 15, 2017 @ 2:41pm 
To be honest I thought the story would be so barebones it would have no nuance. But it does. Its no Shakespeare, but there is some development. Which is exactly what I think hurts the game.

It seems the devs were on the fence, they developed and interesting world but were afraid to develop it further, the sidequests develop interesting nuggets of lore, but never take them anywhere.

But it doesn't look like something constrained like Dark Souls, just looks like something that lacked direction.

That kind of bothers me, I can handle a lack of story, but something so interesting in between is hard to manage.
]{iler01 Nov 16, 2017 @ 1:08pm 
Originally posted by Kain:
To be honest I thought the story would be so barebones it would have no nuance. But it does. Its no Shakespeare, but there is some development. Which is exactly what I think hurts the game.

It seems the devs were on the fence, they developed and interesting world but were afraid to develop it further, the sidequests develop interesting nuggets of lore, but never take them anywhere.

But it doesn't look like something constrained like Dark Souls, just looks like something that lacked direction.

That kind of bothers me, I can handle a lack of story, but something so interesting in between is hard to manage.

i feel the same, the mission hub ( rengoku) needs so much more life in it
Romance Nov 20, 2017 @ 9:48pm 
Ok here's what I seriously thought was going on the whole time until the actual ending.

At the start of the game you're storming heaven with a particularly strong conviction to kill the boss (as the player you don't know why yet). You fight your way through security all the way until you reach the boss' door. The whole time HER is telling you not to do it, that you're making a mistake. The difference is that once you access the door HER is the one who hacks n blows you up because she IS the boss and the one who's on the other side of the door. You were coming for HER(the boss) in the first place because she killed your brother. Once you wake up the game goes on as it actually does. She takes advantage of your state and the fact that no one knows what the boss actually looks like and tries to sell you the idea that the boss kidnapped your brother. You go through all the smaller bosses essentially killing off people she didn't want to have to do in herself. And at the end what you find in the capsule isn't your brother but your brother's corpse. He was killed before you even stormed heaven since that was your inital reason for doing so.

I thought this all was the case once she first started talking about my brother at the start of the game. So once I saw the actual ending the first thing that threw me for a loop was why would she stop him from killing the boss at the beginning of the game just to do it at the end?
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