When to buy colony, super highway, mega drill, communist Ideal, and cloning labs?

[xtranet]

For this whole time I have been buying cloning labs, etc, immediately. As soon as I can buy 1. But wondering if that really is the best strategy.

Currently at:
62/90 industries researched. All medical ones maxed.
0x industry output, x6 industry speed.
No idea how many button auto clickers I have purchased so far.
7548 comrades/sec right now
Unlocks: 85, 85, 76, 86, 31
Colony x9, super highway x11, mega drill x12, communist Ideal x10, and cloning labs x3

I do the surge and blast combos to buy hospitals, but still takes forever it seems like due to comrades and medicine.

So I was wondering, is there some advantage I am missing because I buy the final item as soon as they are available and resetting?

[76561198354344501]

Are you doing Medical Inspiration blasts + Surge? I usually wait until I can buy at least 5 cloning labs or hives before I reset.

[xtranet]

Originally posted by AdComLoser:

Are you doing Medical Inspiration blasts + Surge? I usually wait until I can buy at least 5 cloning labs or hives before I reset.

yes I do. But I have always been buying the resets as soon as they say x1. Is that why it's taking me forever?

[mzxrules]

Yes. Roughly every time you double the number of Hospitals you have, you're able to purchase a lab. From my experience, it usually takes a few surges to get back to where you started once hospitals become your main source of comrads, whereas when you're at your highest ever number of hospitals, you're usually able to almost double your hospitals every surge or so (less so with the smaller bursts). However, it looks like you have so few hospitals that you're wasting tons of surges getting back to your highest total, surges that could have been doubling up your total clinics/hospitals and increasing your comrad output.

Even once you get later on in the game, it's still worth it to build up your hospitals a bit before cashing in a bunch of cloning labs. If you're banking all of your scientist giving resources as soon as you can afford them, my best guess is that you only end up netting somewhere between 7-12ish scientists each time you reset medicine, or ~1 extra surge every 6-7 times you collect your scientists

[xtranet]

Does it always just stay at buy x1 for the colony, super highway, mega drill, communist Ideal, and cloning labs? I have been trying this new method for 2 days now and they all still just say buy x1. I have 26 hospitals now. I have 4.04+008 hives and yet it still only shows buy x1 for Colonies.

And is it only the Cloning Lab purchases that I want to wait on? Or all of them? And so what is the reset strategy for Cloning Labs? Example, I only need 8 hospitals right now to buy my next 1 cloning lab. And I have 26 hospitals right now. So I would be left with 18 hospitals with a reset. Do people want until they have double the hospitals needed per reset? 3x ? 4x ? 10x ?

[mzxrules]

It always stays at x1 for all of those, so it's hard to tell how many you can really buy.

it would be best to wait until at least 1000 or 100,000 hospitals (personally I'd build them up a bit more than that, so that you can afford a few cloning labs while keeping it over 1000 or 100,000 as there are bonuses which double your hospital output at this amount), mainly because you need to build them up to where they become your best source of comrads.

For quite a while, yes you usually only need to hold off a bit on Cloning Lab purchases. The reason should be obvious: you have to build back your medicine totals from "nothing" whereas with the other resources you're able to start generating a good chunk of them after only a few minutes of waiting. Depending on what you've unlocked though, might end up running out of resources a lot more often once you pass 1.00+031 clinics. At this point, I personally have been buying my colonies, super highways, etc. at the same time as my Cloning Labs

[DiMono]

It's generally recommended not to spend more than 10% of your hives on colonies, etc. I've seen some people say 1%, but I think that's a little too conservative. The problem with buying cloning labs specifically is that since the medicine tab is structured differently, it's harder to get back to production. Two things I would recommend for you:

1) Save up for a x21 speed upgrade. It will make a big difference.

2) Save up your hospitals until you have more than 100,000 of them. Then, buy cloning labs until you have 10 producing 40 science. Then save up again until you have more than 1e8 of them, and buy cloning labs until you have 25 producing 100 science. Then sit on your hospitals until near the end, because that's plenty. That way, since you're buying cloning labs in bulk, you don't have to waste time (and science) getting your medicine tab back up to where it should be.

The way I buy my other four science buildings is all at once, from right to left. I buy 100% Communist Ideals and Mega Drills, then 50% Super Highways and Colonies. Then your x27 production speed will quickly get those tabs producing again. Once I hit 25 cloning labs, I didn't touch them again until I could safely get to 64 of them producing 256 science, and I had no difficulty at all blowing out the late game. My playstyle really snowballs at the end.

[xtranet]

Thanks for the detailed help DiMono! I will do step 1. I bought the x3 , two times. I will save for the x21.

[rockhopper]

Originally posted by xtranet:

I will save for the x21.

That's about the worst thing you can do if you want to speed up your game. By the time you're done collecting scientists, you could have finished the game a long time ago, and the upgrade itself won't do anything at all to help you where you're at. Focus on building hospitals, and the rest of the resources will naturally follow, as in order to build more hospitals you need to keep increasing all the other fifth tier producers and clinics. Given your insane amount of industry upgrades and your 6x speed, once your hospital production really kicks in and you'll start getting more and more unlocks you'll likely find that you can reset all of the first four resources every time you collect scientists, and still be limited only by your comrade production. Even if you never reset medicine again you'll blow through the endgame like the Flash on steroids.

When it comes to resetting in general, I would say that you should only reset when a couple of conditions are met. First, make sure that comrades is what's limiting the production of the fifth tier producer. This means that regardless of how many levels you buy, you'll be able to recoup the fifth tier easily, and you won't have to worry about whether you want to spend only a certain percentage of those fifth tier producers. Secondly, don't reset until there is nothing you can deplete that particular resource on. If you're making more of resource X than you can spend, it means that there is some other resource limiting your progress at the moment, and you can use the down time of X to work on that other resource and the down time won't be hindering you as much. Thirdly, don't reset if you can only buy a few levels of scientist tier buildings. Increasing your scientist rate by two or three doesn't really make an impact, especially once you start making 30+ total scientists every six hours, but resetting does impact you in a negative way, even if you follow these tips. Contrary to what has been stated earlier in this thread, finding out how many times you can reset a resource is ridiculously easy, as the multiplying factors for the price per level, 4-3-3-3-2 in that order from hives to hospital, remains the same throughout the game.

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[xtranet]

Originally posted by naturalreject:

Originally posted by xtranet:

I will save for the x21.

That's about the worst thing you can do if you want to speed up your game. By the time you're done collecting scientists, you could have finished the game a long time ago, and the upgrade itself won't do anything at all to help you where you're at. Focus on building hospitals, and the rest of the resources will naturally follow, as in order to build more hospitals you need to keep increasing all the other fifth tier producers and clinics. Given your insane amount of industry upgrades and your 6x speed, once your hospital production really kicks in and you'll start getting more and more unlocks you'll likely find that you can reset all of the first four resources every time you collect scientists, and still be limited only by your comrade production. Even if you never reset medicine again you'll blow through the endgame like the Flash on steroids.

When it comes to resetting in general, I would say that you should only reset when a couple of conditions are met. First, make sure that comrades is what's limiting the production of the fifth tier producer. This means that regardless of how many levels you buy, you'll be able to recoup the fifth tier easily, and you won't have to worry about whether you want to spend only a certain percentage of those fifth tier producers. Secondly, don't reset until there is nothing you can deplete that particular resource on. If you're making more of resource X than you can spend, it means that there is some other resource limiting your progress at the moment, and you can use the down time of X to work on that other resource and the down time won't be hindering you as much. Thirdly, don't reset if you can only buy a few levels of scientist tier buildings. Increasing your scientist rate by two or three doesn't really make an impact, especially once you start making 30+ total scientists every six hours, but resetting does impact you in a negative way, even if you follow these tips. Contrary to what has been stated earlier in this thread, finding out how many times you can reset a resource is ridiculously easy, as the multiplying factors for the price per level, 4-3-3-3-2 in that order from hives to hospital, remains the same throughout the game.

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I am trying to boil all the suggestions into what I am suppsosed to do. I currently have 31 hospitals, 4 cloning labs. So don't reset that. And so I guess don't get the x21 multiplier then either. Comrades are my biggest limiting factor side by side with medicine. When I do the boost + surge combo, I do Comrade, Medicine, Medical boosts and then go quickly over and do the 150 Mega Resource Surge. Only because it still feels like a long time to get enough scientists for that combo.

So is that pretty much all I do for now?

[rockhopper]

Yeah, sounds like a decent summary.

[76561198354344501]

Lately my strategy is to reset a production thing when it gets to e4 more than it is after a reset. So if I buy a number of hives I note what my hive production is after all the hive buys. Let's say it's 1e20. The next time I'll buy hives is when it goes over 1e20 +e4 or 1e24. Same for land, ore, weapons and hospitals. Seems to be working. I'm up to 619 scientist per 6 hours.

To keep medicine production up during cloning lab reset, I use the trick someone had in a different post which is: do the surge, buy the cloning labs, then use the comrades from the surge to rebuy clinics.

[chiefputsilao✖️ping]

Originally posted by naturalreject:

Yeah, sounds like a decent summary.

do you have all the medals and the unlocks without saving/buying for the x21 speed boost?

[xtranet]

Originally posted by chiefputsi✖️ping:

Originally posted by naturalreject:

Yeah, sounds like a decent summary.

do you have all the medals and the unlocks without saving/buying for the x21 speed boost?

Updated progress... still feels like it's going really slow:
Only 529 hospitals with 3 possible to buy right now. I have purchased the auto button clicker a bunch of times at the start of the game. But no idea how many times.

Metals: 10/18, 10/18, 9/18, 9/18, 6/18
Unlocks: 102/155, 101/155, 98/155, 84/155, 38/155
Experiments:
State: x0 industry output, x6 industry speed
Industry: 62/90 researched (all the medical ones researched)

Current amounts before I do anything for today:
10,484 comrades/sec
Scientists: 2,002
Comrades: 5.46+010
Potatoes: 2.33+049
Land: 5.69+047
Ore: 3.75+046
Weapons: 2.92+041
Medicine: 3.16+030

Only 529 hospitals with 3 possible to buy right now.

[chiefputsilao✖️ping]

wow, ty for the info...

i am saving for the x21 speed boost since i can probably save 2000 scientists in three to four days time.
i login about 3x/day collecting the scientists produced, not the max 4x.

i hope adcap developers impliment this: scientists still get claimed every 6 hours but they can stack up to get claimed at once for max 24 hours.

[rockhopper]

Originally posted by chiefputsi✖️ping:

Originally posted by naturalreject:

Yeah, sounds like a decent summary.

do you have all the medals and the unlocks without saving/buying for the x21 speed boost?

I've reached that point in the game twice, second time without even buying a properganda.