Help me reach the Ultimate Good Ending. SPOILERS.

[Naked Master]

SPOILERS AHEAD, I will use [spoiler] [/spoiler] tags but BEWARE.

I plan to replay Pyre one last time to finally finish the story the best possible way. I need help!

My goals:

• Make sure lovers stay together.
  
• Make sure friends stay together (as much as possible).
  
• Make sure exiles reach their personal goals. (example: Tamitha will forgive Pamitha)
  
• Complete Peaceful Revolution, if possible.
  
• Liberate people useful for Sahran Union (relationships take priority).

Who stays, who goes?

• Hedwyn - stays. Later joined by Fikani.
  
• Jodariel - stays. Later joined by Ignarius.
  
• Rukey - goes. His mother waits for him and he has connections, Plan could use this. I don't like the idea of separating the Original Trio, but Pamitha will be here for him, later.
  
• Bae the Bae - goes. Later joined by Almer.
  
• Ti'Zo - stays. He is okay in the Downside and his friends are here.
  
• Sir Gilman - goes. I need to free someone on the first Liberation Rite, and I don't want to tear apart Jodi and Hedwyn or Ti'Zo and old crew. Bae needs time to develop relationship with Almer and Rukey needs time to resolve Barker Situation.
  
• Pamitha Theyn - goes. But only after her sister is liberated. She will help Sahran Union build agreement with Harps and keep Rukey company, too.
  
• Big Bertrude - stays. Volfred is here and she said that it is easier to do stuff here. She also assists him with teaching Downside how to read, I believe?
  
• Volfred Sandalwood - stays. He is very important to plan and I believe that he can even prevent violent revolution, but Bertrude, Ti'Zo and Oralech are all here. I will keep them together.
  
• Oralech - goes. At first I though I would go instead of him, but now I think he just deserves his freedom: he was exiled unjustly, he was then betrayed and if he returns he will help people on the night of Scribes' Return. And since I can show him my thoughts, even if he goes free, he will know that Volfred was never involved in his betrayal.

In what order you plan to release people?

1. Gilman.
   
2. Tamitha. (The Essence)
   
3. Almer. (The Fate)
   
4. Rukey.
   
5. Bae.
   
6. Pamitha.
   
7. Reader.

Thoughts.

• Hedwyn gave a bold promise about something he wasn't even sure about. Of course, breaking isn't good, but since I plan to make everyone happy anyway, it doesn't matter.
  
• Pamitha and Almer are both very useful to Sahran Union. Pamitha helps with Harps and Almer becomes great historican, preserving both Cur and Nomad (and Savage, I guess) culture. He is invaluable and I don't think I should swap him at all.
  
• I am doubting my choices here and need help considering. For example: granting freedom to Volfred, Bertrude, Ti'Zo, Oralech, Bae, Almer and Pamitha sounds interesting, but when Theyn sister are in different realms, Tamitha won't forgive Pamitha.
  
• By the way, either Pamitha or Hedwyn always need to go free, or Fikani will never see Hedwyn again.
  
• I thought about swapping Gilman / Tamitha / Pamitha with Ignarius / Jodariel / Hedwyn, but I am not sure if Ingraus will hit on Jodariel when both are free, and that Tamitha will forgive Pamitha when both are in downside.
  
• Apparently to avoid rioting you need to free 6 Nightwings at least, not including Oralech.
  
• I kinda feel bad for poor Lendel, but he will only hurt the Plan in the end. Dissidents, Pyrehearts, Withdrawn and Chastity are out of question, I won't let them go.
  
• I am awful at writing in English.

Please, if you have any ideas, suggestions and stuff, write it in the comments.

[Hound Archon]

As far as I know, you need to liberate six or more Nightwings to avoid rioting.

[Naked Master]

Originally posted by Hound Archon:

As far as I know, you need to liberate six or more Nightwings to avoid rioting.

This is bad. Any confirmation to this?

[Hound Archon]

From the mouth of the Scribes themselves. One way or the other, sacrifices will have to be made.

The way I see it, best ending is redeeming *ae-Hedwyn-Jodariel-Pamitha-Rukey-Gilman-yourself in no particular order. This way friends stay together, Hedwyn keeps his oath, the revolution is bloodless and peace is made with the Harpies, although it means bad luck for Iggy and Almer. Still, separating the son and the father is cruel, especially considering what happens afterwards if you do, and Iggy gets over it eventually. Tamitha can go eat a cactus for all I care, being a bloodthirsty wingnut. Heh. Heh heh. WING-NUT. Volfred, Tizo, Bertrude and Oralech don't even want to go and share A LOT of history together, so I am fine with them staying.

[Naked Master]

Originally posted by Hound Archon:

From the mouth of the Scribes themselves. One way or the other, sacrifices will have to be made.

The way I see it, best ending is redeeming *ae-Hedwyn-Jodariel-Pamitha-Rukey-Gilman-yourself. This way friends stay together, the revolution is bloodless and peace is made with the Harpies, although it means bad luck for Iggy and Almer. Still, separating the son and the father is cruel, especially considering what happens afterwards if you do, and Iggy gets over it eventually. Tamitha can go eat a cactus for all I care, being a bloodthirsty wingnut. Heh. Heh heh. WING-NUT. Volfred, Tizo, Bertrude and Oralech don't even want to go and share A LOT of history together, so I am fine with them staying.

Damn.
I really want Almer to go free, and doesn't Dalbert die in the end anyway? I mean, he is very old...

[Hound Archon]

I guess you could give him your place, but that means Hedwyn breaks his promise to you - he said you all would get out together and he takes his words very seriously. And yes, this choice was painful for me as well. Heartbreaking, even.

[Hawke]

Originally posted by Hound Archon:

From the mouth of the Scribes themselves. One way or the other, sacrifices will have to be made.

The way I see it, best ending is redeeming *ae-Hedwyn-Jodariel-Pamitha-Rukey-Gilman-yourself in no particular order. This way friends stay together, Hedwyn keeps his oath, the revolution is bloodless and peace is made with the Harpies, although it means bad luck for Iggy and Almer. Still, separating the son and the father is cruel, especially considering what happens afterwards if you do, and Iggy gets over it eventually. Tamitha can go eat a cactus for all I care, being a bloodthirsty wingnut. Heh. Heh heh. WING-NUT. Volfred, Tizo, Bertrude and Oralech don't even want to go and share A LOT of history together, so I am fine with them staying.

A question about Kae, Sir Gilman and Bertrude. The kid seems to be fine either way (should she return to the Sahrian Union, she stays with friends and Jodariel and gains a socially acceptable position; if she stays, she travels with Ti'Zo and Almer). Bertrude contributes to the bloodlessness of the revolution and book production and keeps her friendship with Pamitha, if she's liberated. If she stays, pretty much nothing changes for her, except Rukey and Ron being business partners.

Which outcome would be considered preferable?

And what Sir Giman does, if he wasn't liberated?

[Hound Archon]

I guess we have to decide what's preferable to us, personally. It really boils down to personal choice in the end, doesn't it? Up to and including the very final decision, to go or to stay..

Having said that, *ae and Almer start a family and have kids if both end up topside and nothing is said about that if they stay downside. Just another thing to rip at your heartstrings consider.

[Hawke]

Originally posted by Hound Archon:

I guess we have to decide what's preferable to us, personally. It really boils down to personal choice in the end, doesn't it? Up to and including the very final decision, to go or to stay..

Fair point.
Though, shouldn't personal responsibility (wellbeing of the Nightwings (including Oralech) and duty as a citizen (success of the Plan) be priorities?

[Hound Archon]

One again, up to you. I've heard about people who purposedly throw every match, double Rukey's debt to Barker just to torment him, keep everyone in the Downside and generally do their best to be a ♥♥♥♥ to everyone just because they can...

[Karavanth]

Without really digging into specifics, I'm guessing a "perfect" game is impossible. Part of what makes Supergiant's work so fascinating is the sort of imperfect world that, in that way, is so real. Life is full of compromises, and you make the most of it that you can.

Spoilers for previous two games: Bastion ended in a binary decision where both had serious drawbacks - accept the world as it is, with all the death and destruction, or risk an unending loop? Transistor seemingly ended with having to write poor Cloudbank off, accepting that the two could at least be together.

That said, this is a super cool puzzle to try to solve! My guess is that you'd be best served making a priority list of things you'd like done, and then trying to max out the number of those things you can manage.

[Naked Master]

The reason I call it ULTIMATE GOOD ENDING is because I want to achieve as much satisfaction per good character as possible.All Nightwings and even some other exiles deserve freedom, but since it can not be achieved, I want to at least make sure all promises are kept, all goals are reached, all relationships accomplished and etc.

Even if some character doesn't get freedom I want to make sure they get something else to be happy. Hedwyn, Jodi and Bae find partners, Rukey's mom finally can stop worrying about her son, Gilman finally founds peace in everyday honorable actions, Volfred knows his plan worked, Bertrude stays with Volfred, Oralech founds Volfred was always on his side, Pamitha gets redemption and Ti'Zo...I guess there is enough fish in the sea for him, if you know what I mean.

[Naked Master]

It's not about my vision of happy ending.
It's about making sure everyone finds peace in the end, whenever it's a sense of accomplishment, or a feel that they are not alone. To me, it's just as important as if characters were real.

[StompMeFlat]

Someone on another topic said taking Bertrude against Udmildhe and activating the stars of the titan she worships each match begins to make Udmildhe second guess her beliefs. It may be possible to "save" her from her fate in the caves. Just another food for thought in terms of trying to help everyone with their problems in a playthrough.

[Naked Master]

Oh, yeah, I remember that too.
Definately will do.

Originally posted by StompMeFlat:

Someone on another topic said taking Bertrude against Udmildhe and activating the stars of the titan she worships each match begins to make Udmildhe second guess her beliefs. It may be possible to "save" her from her fate in the caves. Just another food for thought in terms of trying to help everyone with their problems in a playthrough.

[Lifedreamer]

In what scenario do Pamitha and Tamitha resolve their issue? Only if both goes free? Won't Tamitha create a bloodbath if liberated?