New weapons testing update

[devils]

I love testing weapons

There are at least 3 "special" earned weapons that are superior to any the regular weapons you can get in base game alone.

1
The Extranjeros BFG day of day year over year the absolute best sniping weapon - earned in the Fallen Ghosts DLC. The least bullet drop, the best power with a stats table denied actual High rate of fire. In fact I have one Tier One guy where I never added any extra dmg. The very best of the best year over year and earning in Fallen Ghosts - amazing fun!!

2
The SR25 Jungle again in Fallen Ghosts(?) it is a one shot on any vehicle with enemies in it with no extra dmg :)

3
I just retested the The El Cuentista shot gun, a slow [almost moderate] loader, 2 clip, short barrel, no sights, a "crate find" I think, with an unbelievable 128 m - 1 shot on any vehicle!! That is outstanding. I am going to level it up now and see if can make any difference at all the 128 m drop is absolute, it won't even spark/scatch/hit/wound a vehicle at 129 m. So of course let me test if does more dmg than a 1 shot.

I am always working on other weapons in spare times and sure there maybe be others I overlook.

[devils]

Add that since ubisoft are afraid of me staying with the game rather than buying their "new" deals, [and they never sell some of the things they used to store etc,] I used those credits {earned every last 60 times of prestige crates I never get anything new) credits for:

1 - The apc costed 1700 when already own the 2 in that, and 2 - the Luison pistol - meh :[ not as much dmg as the Lady killer, but maybe rapid firing handling is slightly better :( ] No better range as 5.7 has the sniping at 200 m capacities.

The apc is the most armored vehicle in game I have tested, and can double trash all ground vehicles in a convoy in one pass.

I bought the original Ghost Recon, if stop this game I will never buy another ubisucks game again.

[DMZ]

I wish I could even use the Extranjeros BFG in the main game lol

The Jungle is known for having its weapon stats switched with the HTI when it comes to damage lol./

[wespe___o=/;;;:*]

Originally posted by devils:

I love testing weapons
1 The Extranjeros BFG day of day year over year the absolute best sniping weapon - ...The least bullet drop, the best power with a stats table denied actual High rate of fire. In fact I have one Tier One guy where I never added any extra dmg.
2 The SR25 Jungle .. one shot on any vehicle ..
3 .The El Cuentista shot gun, a slow [almost moderate] loader, 2 clip, short barrel, no sights, a "crate find" I think, with an unbelievable 128 m - 1 shot on any vehicle!!
...

1. With solid skill/experience BulletDrop is not the main issue below 400m. For me the DesertTech HTI is still the best Sniper. One has to accept engine limitations ~600m anyway.. and where is the point to make point-blank 300m shots with zero skill ??
2. true.. it´s extremely broken.. I´d advise not to use it.. at least not before player got Tier 01 and several weapons maxed without it
3. Several Shotguns are 1-hit killers. But only few are silent.. still 1-hitting below 40m is much better than a loud pull of all enemies

Originally posted by devils:

...every last 60 times of prestige crates I never get anything new...
..No better range as 5.7 has the sniping at 200 m capacities.
...I bought the original Ghost Recon, if stop this game I will never buy another ubisucks game again.

1. you can only get what is there.. some weapons require SeasonPass or Year2Pass ..or FallenGhosts (eg: all 4 glitched SniperRifles)
2. nothing comes close to 5.7USG, but I´d rate it 80-120m max in real infiltration scenario
3. up to you..

Originally posted by DMZ:

I wish I could even use the Extranjeros BFG in the main game lol
The Jungle is known for having its weapon stats switched with the HTI when it comes to damage lol./

Well, to use Extranjeros BFG you need FallenGhosts DLC
Btw, your second comment is wrong.. it´s even worse (totally broken) making it the best sniper in the game, if stealth is not the issue.. or you shoot from long-range

-> UBIsoft should have fixed this long ago, as well as several other minor errors that are still ingame regarding weapons/scopes

[DMZ]

I have Fallen Ghosts, the BFG is still not available in the main game XD Ubi said they can't fix it.

[wespe___o=/;;;:*]

Originally posted by DMZ:

I have Fallen Ghosts, the BFG is still not available in the main game XD Ubi said they can't fix it.

Because you need to "find" it once in FallenGhosts Playthrough.
Maybe your Save-file didn´t register it properly.. guess you played offline ?!

-> Just make new char, get Extranjeros (quite easy for skilled player).. if lucky it registers

[DMZ]

I have done these things. It doesn't matter, didn't unlock. That's because the main game doesn't care how much of FG you played, the weapons from FG are a separate store pack for the main wildlands game (Ultimate Pack).

[wespe___o=/;;;:*]

Originally posted by DMZ:

I have done these things. It doesn't matter, didn't unlock. That's because the main game doesn't care how much of FG you played, the weapons from FG are a separate store pack for the main wildlands game (Ultimate Pack).

You´re right.. can´t test it, but seems -as long as FallenGhosts is installed- ..you can use all weapons even without finding those in FG DLC first.. ?!
-> you might need to uninstall FG ..and then re-install the DLC again to get it unlocked

Mhh, everyone I know using FG weapons also did FG Playthrough and I´m quite sure I got some UNLOCKS only AFTER finding that weapon in FallenGhosts
Never met anyone in Coop who couldn´t use their FG weapons.. strange.


Are you playing on Xbox?
https://support.ubisoft.com/en-GB/Article/000063961/Accessing-the-Fallen-Ghosts-weapons-in-campaign-mode

To access to the Fallen Ghosts weapons in campaign mode:
• Ensure Fallen Ghosts is installed.
We have support articles available for PC, PLAYSTATION 4 and XBOX ONE to help you check.
• Once Fallen Ghosts is installed, go to the Loadout menu in campaign mode.
• Find the Deimos Crossbow.
If this weapon is listed, you now have access to the Fallen Ghosts weapons.


Please note, although the Fallen Ghosts content is available through the Xbox Live Gold SHARING FEATURE, the Fallen Ghosts weapons are not available through Xbox content sharing.

[DMZ]

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Originally posted by DMZ:

I have done these things. It doesn't matter, didn't unlock. That's because the main game doesn't care how much of FG you played, the weapons from FG are a separate store pack for the main wildlands game (Ultimate Pack).

You´re right.. can´t test it, but seems -as long as FallenGhosts is installed- ..you can use all weapons even without finding those in FG DLC first.. ?!
-> you might need to uninstall FG ..and then re-install the DLC again to get it unlocked

Mhh, everyone I know using FG weapons also did FG Playthrough and I´m quite sure I got some UNLOCKS only AFTER finding that weapon in FallenGhosts :D:
Never met anyone in Coop who couldn´t use their FG weapons.. strange.


Are you playing on Xbox?
https://support.ubisoft.com/en-GB/Article/000063961/Accessing-the-Fallen-Ghosts-weapons-in-campaign-mode

To access to the Fallen Ghosts weapons in campaign mode:
• Ensure Fallen Ghosts is installed.
We have support articles available for PC, PLAYSTATION 4 and XBOX ONE to help you check.
• Once Fallen Ghosts is installed, go to the Loadout menu in campaign mode.
• Find the Deimos Crossbow.
If this weapon is listed, you now have access to the Fallen Ghosts weapons.


Please note, although the Fallen Ghosts content is available through the Xbox Live Gold SHARING FEATURE, the Fallen Ghosts weapons are not available through Xbox content sharing.

Playing on Steam, as we're having this convo here (only people who own it on Steam can talk here).

I have the Deimos crossbow, I even have the PSG-1, but not the BFG-50A(and a bunch of other FG weapons). You can read the thread I linked to see exactly why that problem exists. This issue is easy to solve with the solution I gave after my own research.

I have uninstalled and reinstalled FG as far as that goes with Steam. Didn't fix it. Seems to be a recent issue, and only one that occurs on Steam.

[devils]

Thank you all. I did not know there was an issue now with the dlc for obtaining those special best in game weapons.

I play solo only atm and have all sniping weapons. My best shot is 1504 m the bullet drop is very well relevant as as the speeds.

Why I even mention this that playing all levels of warriors ( 3 x Tier 1's used mostly for testing) and 2 others in various Tiers as testing how hard I can go. The last guy is super xtrem hard mode noting no calling vehicles no fast travel no weapn bufs, no skills.

At that level It is tough and slow but inspires me. So when testing with the Tier 1's, I also go back to testing weapons more completely neglected before. Ansd as you have noted they do change the weapons capabilities without updating the stats ever. So if ur a stats by table person I will make it clear :)
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- 5.7 can snipe up to 200 m with suppressor on. Yeah I can and do. The fun of getting better. AN if you have the time to practice taking out lights on live missions, you get good fast.
- P90 when rushing through territories and wild lands unknown to save ammo ( for extreme hard mode guy) and faster draw.
- G2 with GL and adjusted for numbers and range. My fav, fast and hard.
- MK249/Stoner LMG - they have been varying the ranges but mk249 can do great. Hand over fist the M60E4 has the most dmg of all if u can get used to the handling :)
- Extranjeros BFG hands down and the only reason I wud ultra extreme hard more to save years off the goal. I use the suppressor all the time I am extreme modes. Do you actually own the EXtranjeros BFG ?? Or using stats tables it seems :( not meaning any disrespects at all but come on... you're selling false goods if deny it. Fact Jack!!

I bought this game off steam sept 2017, then 2 otn later bought the gold editions from ubi. For 2 years I worked with out buying anything else at is so much fun.

Then 2019 fall/winter bought crates with my son for the 1st time and was a wild HOOT!! :) As I got better then I wanted to try all of it.

I have no idea how any one can have ALL weapons and say they know all. All fancy tel al vids were probably paid for and very old.

I am also suggesting that the Fallen Ghosts content is well worth it, they have these mofo enemy trolls runnig at with with mobile jammers on their backs LOLZ. And super stealth modes enemies. It ups your game.

Did I miss your points?
Take cares all

response other
I always go for the longest shots and love - through the other side of sniping towers window when they are moving :)

The only other sniping weapon with the bullet drop/speed is the HTI Muddy Bones, is that helps, but a very slow load :(

The El Cuentista is a one shot at 128 m which as good as silent if u out for dmg. I did then buy the apv/apc vehicle and is 2 shots at 128 m and one shot at 50 m :) That is awesome.

[wespe___o=/;;;:*]

Originally posted by DMZ:

Playing on Steam, as we're having this convo here (only people who own it on Steam can talk here)...

Not exactly, It´s enough to own the base game for STEAM, but you can buy DLCs directly for Uplay..
EDIT: seems Wildlands DLCs bought via Uplay won´t work with Steam-version

[wespe___o=/;;;:*]

First, I should add I´m playing Tier 01 all the time and mostly Coop.. this is important when talking about dmg and real combat scenarios, as most Coop-veterans know
Also, I play stealthy.. that means non-suppressor weapons are quite useless in most cases, unless you want to duck it out @300m and waste a lot of time

Originally posted by devils:

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I play solo only atm and have all sniping weapons. My best shot is 1504 m the bullet drop is very well relevant as as the speeds.

My best shot so far 1km, though I have several confirmed 700-980m shots @ moving targets ..but game only counted 709m so far.. until recently I was stuck at the typical ~600m wall that comes with draw distance and de-spawning. Anyway, luxury problem
Imho, precise hits at 3-400m is all you need.. in facts, it´s a comfortable distance to execute human targets (eg: snipers)

Originally posted by devils:

At that level It is tough and slow but inspires me. So when testing with the Tier 1's, I also go back to testing weapons more completely neglected before. Ansd as you have noted they do change the weapons capabilities without updating the stats ever. So if ur a stats by table person I will make it clear :)
-
- 5.7 can snipe up to 200 m with suppressor on. Yeah I can and do. The fun of getting better. AN if you have the time to practice taking out lights on live missions, you get good fast.
- P90 when rushing through territories and wild lands unknown to save ammo ( for extreme hard mode guy) and faster draw.
- G2 with GL and adjusted for numbers and range. My fav, fast and hard.
- MK249/Stoner LMG - they have been varying the ranges but mk249 can do great. Hand over fist the M60E4 has the most dmg of all if u can get used to the handling :)
- Extranjeros BFG hands down and the only reason I wud ultra extreme hard more to save years off the goal. I use the suppressor all the time I am extreme modes. Do you actually own the EXtranjeros BFG ?? Or using stats tables it seems :( not meaning any disrespects at all but come on...

Lol.. here we disagree quite a bit.

-5.7USG depends.. a lot. Infiltration allows for solid 80-130m 1hit-kills, but once engaged in combat doing several shots ..even at 80m dmg is lacking a bit, though still on par with weaker ASRs

- haven´t found a usecase for LMG yet.. those are just underwhelming and bested by MP7/P90 and all good Assault Rifles. And when talking about stealth, it´s basically just Stoner vs U100.. I like U100, but its RoF is too slow

-G2 ? seriously, that weapon is crap besides eating a magazine in 3sec. Even M4 is already much better..

-Extranjeros BFG .. lol. Besides being a glitched weapon, it is indeed weaker than DesertTech HTI ..but yes - way more noob-friendly. Imho, great range and projectile speed.. RoF stat is wrong.. it´s on par with SR25Jungle (broken af), but it won´t 1hit vehicles like the DesertTech HTI and is definitely weaker (note: I have both Lv.30 max).
Wait, remove suppressor and it´s better - true. But any patrol nearby will spot you from thundering sound and cause a situation smart players try to prevent.. at least in Tier-mode

Originally posted by devils:

I have no idea how any one can have ALL weapons and say they know all. All fancy tel al vids were probably paid for and very old.

Can´t agree, there is barely 20 weapons in the game that are really top crops or at least top5 in their respective fields.

Originally posted by devils:

The only other sniping weapon with the bullet drop/speed is the HTI Muddy Bones, is that helps, but a very slow load :(

That´s not correct, but as I stated in my Gear-guide.. several weapons might rob the fun because those are glitched and broken af

Originally posted by devils:

The El Cuentista is a one shot at 128 m which as good as silent if u out for dmg. I did then buy the apv/apc vehicle and is 2 shots at 128 m and one shot at 50 m :) That is awesome.

You forgot some other facts: it´s loud, does zero dmg at 130m+ and only 2 shots.. meaning you will have no fun in low Tiermode
But I agree, it´s the only Shotgun that can 1hit vehicles @127m .. ofc a broken weapon with wrong stats etc...


Anyone reading all this and curious about STEALTH weapons, more detailed info on SniperRifles or Best-in-Slot Gear:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2379521816

[GogglezDoNuffin]

Every pistol is pretty much useless when you get detected and engaged, takes like 8-10 shots to kill armored or heavy target, don't get those 5.7 stats fool you. It doesn't really matter which pistol you use for stealth kills, well maybe for mag size, but that's about it.

I haven't used one shot capable weapons for years. It's just plain boring to one shot vehicles and not realistic, although game isn't that realistic for some parts, but still.

E: I use them for some daily challenges.

[wespe___o=/;;;:*]

Originally posted by GogglezDoNoffing:

Every pistol is pretty much useless when you get detected and engaged, takes like 8-10 shots to kill armored or heavy target, don't get those 5.7 stats fool you. It doesn't really matter which pistol you use for stealth kills, well maybe for mag size, but that's about it...

True.. undetected you can use weapons with low penetration.
Once enraged, the 5.7USG still kills even highly-armored Unidad in single-digit Tier-mode within 3-4 shots. Yes, Mag.-size is also important to fight 2-3 enemies without reloading.. otherwise you´re often dead in Tier-mode

Personally, I like the 5.7 most.. LadyKiller (mission reward) being a good alternative.
When doing stealth infiltration 5.7USG and Deimos Xbow are all you need, for extra-fun add some CQC (ideally Caveira/Echelon -Gloves)

[DMZ]

I honestly don't know how much harder single digit Tier modes are compared to Tier 17, but if my experience between Tier 40 and Tier 17 has any meaning, it's not that huge a difference you need to adopt in your playstyle.

I don't use suppressors on any main gun for quite some time now. I run bolt action rifles and a suboptimal gun config that looks the closest to the original weapon.

Pistols are not good against engaged targets, but that's what you should expect.

LMGs are honestly great, I've been using the Russian PKP (6p42) and it's amazing with the right mods. The trick is that you _must_ fire in short bursts and while laying prone if you hope to hit anything. You get an incredibly generous magazine in return as well as higher damage than most Assaulr Rifles.

The Famas G2's main benefit _is_ that it shoots fast. That's the whole point. You can put enough rounds into anyone to kill them at any ranking, including Tier mode. You can do so with _incredible_ accuracy if you have the right parts.

> Also, I play stealthy.. that means non-suppressor weapons are quite useless in most cases, unless you want to duck it out @300m and waste a lot of time :D:

I play stealth too, I just don't do it suppressed, which requires _actual_ stealth.

[GogglezDoNuffin]

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Originally posted by GogglezDoNoffing:

Every pistol is pretty much useless when you get detected and engaged, takes like 8-10 shots to kill armored or heavy target, don't get those 5.7 stats fool you. It doesn't really matter which pistol you use for stealth kills, well maybe for mag size, but that's about it...

True.. undetected you can use weapons with low penetration.
Once enraged, the 5.7USG still kills even highly-armored Unidad in single-digit Tier-mode within 3-4 shots. Yes, Mag.-size is also important to fight 2-3 enemies without reloading.. otherwise you´re often dead in Tier-mode

All I'm saying is that 5.7 isn't that much better dmg wise than other pistols. If you're killing heavy units with 3-4 shots, then you're shooting them to other areas than body or they're not fully engaged or they have changed stats, my tests and other players' tests are like 2-3 years old.

Originally posted by DMZ:

I honestly don't know how much harder single digit Tier modes are compared to Tier 17, but if my experience between Tier 40 and Tier 17 has any meaning, it's not that huge a difference you need to adopt in your playstyle.

The Famas G2's main benefit _is_ that it shoots fast. That's the whole point. You can put enough rounds into anyone to kill them at any ranking, including Tier mode. You can do so with _incredible_ accuracy if you have the right parts.

I don't think that there is much difference between Tier 20-01, you just basically die to single shot and enemies have 100% accuracy.

Agreed, Famas with right parts has probably easiest controllable recoil and very fast 'time to kill', although that means playing without suppressor.