Which are the top 3 assault rifles, and top 3 SMGs?

[CompanyofHeroes_thankSpielberg]

Hi all,

I am currently using the P416, and I really like how little recoil it has when firing from the hip.

If I use the G36C, it is immediately noticeable that there is more recoil.

What are the top 3 assault rifles, among the rifles that can mount a 50-round magazine?

Also, which are the top 3 submachineguns.

If you include in your list weapons obtained by micro-transaction, please make also a second list mentioning only the weapons obtainable by opening weapon cases in the campaign.

[[ACPL] Jon]

Why would you need a 50-round magazine, which by default makes handling worse?

Top 3 AR's:
- Bren 805
- Mk17
- Sig 556xi \ ACR

Top 3 AR's including paid ones:
- HK416
- Mk17
- M16

Top 3 SMG's:
- MP5
- Kriss Vector
- MP7? I don't remember

[Ajax]

The guy made a great guide. Check it.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2379521816

[[ACPL] Jon]

This "bible" is BS. Imagine putting crappy, kicking M4 above mighty, recoilless Bren.

[Ajax]

Originally posted by ORP Dobrej Zabawy:

This "bible" is BS. Imagine putting crappy, kicking M4 above mighty, recoilless Bren.

No MK18, Tar21, Scorpion Evo 3, MDR in BIS. But other's POV is BS in the first place. Best argument ever lol. 50 rnd mag adds 0.12 ADS compared to 30 mr Pro.

[[ACPL] Jon]

I'm not sure what you're saying.

Both Scorpion and Tar 21 feel \ perform awful IMO and I haven't bought Mk18 so I have no idea how it performs. And hey, use 50rnd mags all you want if you don't feel them being a problem, but when someone asks for "best" it's supposedly "best" for stats to avoid these.

I don't use them because I think they look awful, I'm a gunporn guy like that.

[GogglezDoNuffin]

Top 3 AR's:
- Bren 805
- ACR
- AK-12

Top 3 AR's including paid ones:
- HK 416
- Mk 18
- MK 17

Top 3 SMG's:
- MP7
- Vector
- Scorpion EVO

Gotta agree that Bren probably has easiest controllable recoil with right attachments. M4 for example goes towards upper right or maybe it was left, either way, I'd rather have a gun that has almost straight vertical recoil when shooting like 10-20 bullets.

G2 is another laser weapon right attachments, easy to control.

[wespe___o=/;;;:*]

Originally posted by Ajax:

The guy made a great guide. Check it...

Appreciated

Originally posted by ORP Dobrej Zabawy:

This "bible" is BS. Imagine putting crappy, kicking M4 above mighty, recoilless Bren.

M4 is a quite solid weapon with only few drawbacks. Bren is exactly positioned where it should be in any serious "overall Performance"-Ranking

Funny you are so much into Bren.. it was my favourite in first 100hours, but it has severe weaknesses. I like Bren, but a Guide has to be somewhat objective.
My most extensive testing was indeed Bren vs TAR (~100hours Tiermode, Coop ,FallenGhosts).. even played a lot of SemiAuto + Salve ->which is the Bren´s strongest feature imho
-> TAR is definitely above.

Originally posted by ORP Dobrej Zabawy:

I'm not sure what you're saying.
Both Scorpion and Tar 21 feel \ perform awful IMO and I haven't bought Mk18 so I have no idea how it performs. And hey, use 50rnd mags all you want if you don't feel them being a problem, but when someone asks for "best" it's supposedly "best" for stats to avoid these.

I don't use them because I think they look awful, I'm a gunporn guy like that.

Seems you have a lot to learn.. especially reading. My Guide explains quite detailed why the #Ranking is as it is.

Originally posted by ORP Dobrej Zabawy:

...Both Scorpion and Tar 21 feel \ perform awful IMO and I haven't bought Mk18 so I have no idea how it performs. And hey, use 50rnd mags all you want if you don't feel them being a problem, but when someone asks for "best" it's supposedly "best" for stats to avoid these.

I don't use them because I think they look awful, I'm a gunporn guy like that.

You are clearly not
But I agree that 50Mag is usually not needed, though it can be helpful in few missions.

Those "Stats" you refer to lack a lot of depth.. Penetration, RoF, and a lot of other values my Spreadsheet has

Originally posted by GogglezDoNoffing:

...Gotta agree that Bren probably has easiest controllable recoil with right attachments. M4 for example goes towards upper right or maybe it was left, either way, I'd rather have a gun that has almost straight vertical recoil when shooting like 10-20 bullets.
G2 is another laser weapon right attachments, easy to control.

The Ranking looks quite like mine, except ARs.
Also MK16 > MK17 (note my remarks in Guide)
I do understand that some people prefer "bullet-spray", but with some skill any enemy in Tier01 dies with a few shots. And a veteran should learn to fire 2-3 shot salve with full-auto weapons

For G2.. after testing all versions my Spreadsheet still mourns. There is literally nothing that sets it apart. High RoF vs low Dmg is a bad tradeoff.. especially in Tiermode. Now add Range + Spread ..and G2 is very limited. In any scenario there is a better AR or SMG/LMG to do the job..


@Topic:
Please note.. STEALTH = Suppressor.. My Ranking is centered around Infiltration, Stealth, Ambush and Shootout -Scenarios.. though 416/MK18 still outclass any "loud" AR, so that´s not a real issue
-> some weapons are just better in open Shootout like the initially mentioned SIG 556 (still worse than Extranjeros MDR) though none of those is exceptional

>>> UBIsoft gave the players many options for Top-Weapons.. that´s why the difference between TAR/MDR vs 416 vs MK18 is quite tiny..
-> mostly depends on Playstyle (=> in CQC you want Handling/RoF ..while at range MK16/17 can still shine)

[kamikazi21358]

Honestly, every single rifle is extremely good, all of them are viable. Even though the stats say it’s inferior in every way, testing it, even the P416, the starter rifle, is very good when upgraded.

I have my own opinions, and above you can see everyone else has their own too. There are some more popular than others. But all of them are worth trying, you might have a favorite you expect, or you don’t expect.

[1/0]

smgs are kinda useless in this game. As for ARs, there are so many which are about the same so use whatever you like. I use M4. It shreds in tier 1.

[GogglezDoNuffin]

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Originally posted by GogglezDoNoffing:

...Gotta agree that Bren probably has easiest controllable recoil with right attachments. M4 for example goes towards upper right or maybe it was left, either way, I'd rather have a gun that has almost straight vertical recoil when shooting like 10-20 bullets.
G2 is another laser weapon right attachments, easy to control.

The Ranking looks quite like mine, except ARs.
Also MK16 > MK17 (note my remarks in Guide)
I do understand that some people prefer "bullet-spray", but with some skill any enemy in Tier01 dies with a few shots. And a veteran should learn to fire 2-3 shot salve with full-auto weapons :grwskull:

For G2.. after testing all versions my Spreadsheet still mourns. There is literally nothing that sets it apart. High RoF vs low Dmg is a bad tradeoff.. especially in Tiermode. Now add Range + Spread ..and G2 is very limited. In any scenario there is a better AR or SMG/LMG to do the job..


@Topic:
Please note.. STEALTH = Suppressor.. My Ranking is centered around Infiltration, Stealth, Ambush and Shootout -Scenarios.. though 416/MK18 still outclass any "loud" AR, so that´s not a real issue :brawler:
-> some weapons are just better in open Shootout like the initially mentioned SIG 556 (still worse than Extranjeros MDR) though none of those is exceptional

>>> UBIsoft gave the players many options for Top-Weapons.. that´s why the difference between TAR/MDR vs 416 vs MK18 is quite tiny..
-> mostly depends on Playstyle (=> in CQC you want Handling/RoF ..while at range MK16/17 can still shine)

I mean't Mk 16, Mk 17 is free weapon, no idea why I typed Mk 17. IMO Mk 17 is bad overall, it's decent for DMR role in coop, in solo things go south sometimes and it's bad then.

I use ~10 bullet "bullet-spray" sometimes when situation requires it and there's no time to for 3-5 burst shots. G2 is good for spraying, many weapons can do that too well if one wants to play like that, but yeah, it's not very good in the end, I prefer weapons with ATPIAL Laser Sight and it doesn't have rail for it.

I got A LOT kills with many assault rifles and IMO in the end, players should use whatever they prefer. There's not that much difference, they all get job done and stat bars are wrong or misleading, just ignore them. I've used almost exclusively Mk 18 ever since it's released, couldn't care less about its stats, I use it because of aesthetics and it's short barrel rifle.

[wespe___o=/;;;:*]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Honestly, every single rifle is extremely good, all of them are viable. Even though the stats say it’s inferior in every way, testing it, even the P416, the starter rifle, is very good when upgraded.

I have my own opinions, and above you can see everyone else has their own too. There are some more popular than others. But all of them are worth trying, you might have a favorite you expect, or you don’t expect.

P416 has severe weaknesses to kill in low Tiermode. It´s basically a much worse Bren.
Many players don´t care for Tiermode (harder/unfair) and if you play Advanced.. yes, P416 is a nice tool

Many Veterans agree on certain weapons because those perform well allround.
You can play with whatever weapon you like, but it helps to know where it perform poorly

Originally posted by ab:cd:

smgs are kinda useless in this game. As for ARs, there are so many which are about the same so use whatever you like. I use M4. It shreds in tier 1.

Yes and No..
-> There is still some scenarios where you don´t use GrenadeLauncher anyway and the reduced Sound-range of SMGs allows a "Full-Stealth-Fast-Clear"
Ofc, this depends highly on your tactical approach. I just want to point out that SMG has its perfect scenario in Stealth-Infiltration. In Tier01 this is sometimes better + faster.. and I like Ghost Playstyle (btw VectorSpectra = godlike)

Originally posted by GogglezDoNoffing:

I mean't Mk 16, Mk 17 is free weapon, no idea why I typed Mk 17. IMO Mk 17 is bad overall, it's decent for DMR role in coop, in solo things go south sometimes and it's bad then.

I use ~10 bullet "bullet-spray" sometimes when situation requires it and there's no time to for 3-5 burst shots. G2 is good for spraying, many weapons can do that too well if one wants to play like that, but yeah, it's not very good in the end, I prefer weapons with ATPIAL Laser Sight and it doesn't have rail for it.

I got A LOT kills with many assault rifles and IMO in the end, players should use whatever they prefer. There's not that much difference, they all get job done and stat bars are wrong or misleading, just ignore them. I've used almost exclusively Mk 18 ever since it's released, couldn't care less about its stats, I use it because of aesthetics and it's short barrel rifle.

Ahh.. yes. Got the MK16 just lately, since it´s a Store weapon. I wish it was available earlier and cheaper, then it would see more use. Definitely a great Midrange-DMR, sadly classified AR..

My problem.. 50.BFG + MK18 means no need for any DMR. As you said in Tiermode things can turn sideways, which means you need the power to destroy rushing vehicles and shoot enemies at 20-250m reliably and fast.

Good point, Attachments are important.. and not having ATPIAL/Laser3Dot is big disadvantage in fast Stealth missions at night. Same issue with some SMGs + Handguns

The #Ranking I made reflects that UBIsoft gave many options ("free" and "Store"), just quite some are limited to a specific Role. Yes, wrong/misleading Stat-bars doesn´t help either. Even in Tiermode there are several nice options, though Dmg +Penetration becomes more important.

Haha.. I love MK18. Same reasons: punch + aesthetics. Sadly, the (HK)416 has slightly better shooting groups at range (200m+), but it´s too long. Both are deadly and perform similar, so I took the sexy one too

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

I upgraded my P416 to lvl 30, and at tier 1 it wasn’t bad I thought. I wanted to use it as an example, because while some rifles can be more popular — like the TAR 21, or whatever, feel really good — I don’t think there are any weapons even that are inferior. They all seem viable to me.



Also to add, what’s with the Bren? Until this thread, I have never seen anyone say anything good about it, or even bad tbh, it’s like a rifle just there everyone ignores it seems. Was it good all along and people just ignored it? I knew the G2 was a laser, but is the Bren better?

[GogglezDoNuffin]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

I upgraded my P416 to lvl 30, and at tier 1 it wasn’t bad I thought. I wanted to use it as an example, because while some rifles can be more popular — like the TAR 21, or whatever, feel really good — I don’t think there are any weapons even that are inferior. They all seem viable to me.



Also to add, what’s with the Bren? Until this thread, I have never seen anyone say anything good about it, or even bad tbh, it’s like a rifle just there everyone ignores it seems. Was it good all along and people just ignored it? I knew the G2 was a laser, but is the Bren better?

People probably ignored it because of its low rate of fire and stats bar compared to many others assault rifles. It's my second used AR. I like that it doesn't have high RoF, makes easier to control recoil when in need, it has all attachments support and its damage is on par with other 5.56 assault rifles.

Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Honestly, every single rifle is extremely good, all of them are viable. Even though the stats say it’s inferior in every way, testing it, even the P416, the starter rifle, is very good when upgraded.

I have my own opinions, and above you can see everyone else has their own too. There are some more popular than others. But all of them are worth trying, you might have a favorite you expect, or you don’t expect.

P416 has severe weaknesses to kill in low Tiermode. It´s basically a much worse Bren.
Many players don´t care for Tiermode (harder/unfair) and if you play Advanced.. yes, P416 is a nice tool :krlvlup:

Many Veterans agree on certain weapons because those perform well allround.
You can play with whatever weapon you like, but it helps to know where it perform poorly :D:

Originally posted by ab:cd:

smgs are kinda useless in this game. As for ARs, there are so many which are about the same so use whatever you like. I use M4. It shreds in tier 1.

Yes and No..
-> There is still some scenarios where you don´t use GrenadeLauncher anyway and the reduced Sound-range of SMGs allows a "Full-Stealth-Fast-Clear" :brawler:
Ofc, this depends highly on your tactical approach. I just want to point out that SMG has its perfect scenario in Stealth-Infiltration. In Tier01 this is sometimes better + faster.. and I like Ghost Playstyle (btw VectorSpectra = godlike) :D:

Originally posted by GogglezDoNoffing:

I mean't Mk 16, Mk 17 is free weapon, no idea why I typed Mk 17. IMO Mk 17 is bad overall, it's decent for DMR role in coop, in solo things go south sometimes and it's bad then.

I use ~10 bullet "bullet-spray" sometimes when situation requires it and there's no time to for 3-5 burst shots. G2 is good for spraying, many weapons can do that too well if one wants to play like that, but yeah, it's not very good in the end, I prefer weapons with ATPIAL Laser Sight and it doesn't have rail for it.

I got A LOT kills with many assault rifles and IMO in the end, players should use whatever they prefer. There's not that much difference, they all get job done and stat bars are wrong or misleading, just ignore them. I've used almost exclusively Mk 18 ever since it's released, couldn't care less about its stats, I use it because of aesthetics and it's short barrel rifle.

Ahh.. yes. Got the MK16 just lately, since it´s a Store weapon. I wish it was available earlier and cheaper, then it would see more use. Definitely a great Midrange-DMR, sadly classified AR..

My problem.. 50.BFG + MK18 means no need for any DMR. As you said in Tiermode things can turn sideways, which means you need the power to destroy rushing vehicles and shoot enemies at 20-250m reliably and fast.

Good point, Attachments are important.. and not having ATPIAL/Laser3Dot is big disadvantage in fast Stealth missions at night. Same issue with some SMGs + Handguns :cozypoesad:

The #Ranking I made reflects that UBIsoft gave many options ("free" and "Store"), just quite some are limited to a specific Role. Yes, wrong/misleading Stat-bars doesn´t help either. Even in Tiermode there are several nice options, though Dmg +Penetration becomes more important.

Haha.. I love MK18. Same reasons: punch + aesthetics. Sadly, the (HK)416 has slightly better shooting groups at range (200m+), but it´s too long. Both are deadly and perform similar, so I took the sexy one too :D:

I haven't used secondary weapon for a while, so Mk 18 gets the job done, I use grenade launcher on 5 skull areas. SMG is good for 1-3 skull areas, especially for stealth.