Wildlands Is Not Tactical Realism

[Hoak]

I'm sure this will be a lot of neck down fun for people that want another GTA derivative RPG game with a different paint job. Sadly this one rolls with mechanics both simpler and rougher around the edges then GTA II, and a renderer that's neither as efficient or as easy on the eyes as as anything in LSS gaming in the last five years.

I think the biggest disappointment will come from Ghost Recon fans that hope that Ubisoft would throw them a bone with at least some elements of tactical realism -- be forewarned: nothing could be further from the truth, Wildlands has none of the even most basic elements of a tactical realism game; it's an action/fantasy realism, magical arcade grind coop RPG, with mediocre shooting mechanics as its only realism features. Summarily Wildlands is a simplistic, repetitive, kiddie, RPG grind tool for monetizing your time.

Worse, the grind is for ridiculous magical rewards: mall ninja and bunny paint ball arcade Liberace virtual pretend costume crap. You don't even start with nor can you buy an even remotely realistic load-out for the kinds of operations represented in Wildlands. To do so you go on absurd side-missions to randomly find parts, weapons and equipment in some drug cartel crack house basement, or some magic hollow tree. Fortunately for those that like this kind of thing; realistic load-outs aren't reqired because you can kill the zerging zombie Serious Sam style bots with ease and just about anything; yup you're magic Rambo and can destroy an entire army with invisible magic.

Not only is Wildlands not tactical realism, there isn't anything in it that's even remotely realistic or authentic, it's Barbie's Magic Shopping Spree with guns, and that's it -- that's not a value judgement, just how it is. I'm well aware some people love the low level of participation and focus games like Wildlands require, but be forewarned if looking for something challenging and realistic that offers the featurs of a tactical realism game: this is not it.

Sadly what Ubisoft mis-advertises as a 'franchise' (and isn't) and what the Ghost Recon moniker suggests -- you won't find in Wildlands at any level... If you want something challenging, suspenseful, that requires realistic tactics; you'll have look elsewhere; and will likely feel very disappointed and mislead by Ubisoft's Wildlands marketing...

[nomadpad]

Цитата допису Bifidus:

Tells people they need a safespace => whine that someone don't like the game they do.
Solid logic at work right here.

not whining about anything mate.
Im just refuting the logic of tactical realism in games.
Now if you want to insult the writting and, and the repetive nature of ubisoft games, please do.
I dont mind.
Though military themese tend to be boring by nature, unless its unrealistic like say BF or COD, were you play as a rambo like hero.

[JOK3R]

by the second page of keyboard warrioring, i just skipped here to say











CASH ME OUSIDE HOWBOW DAH?

[Cik]

I need to open my Ebonics dictionary to see what folks are typing now...hang on.

[mpearsonm90]

I really dont see how you think this game is suppose to be in anyway a tactical shooter. This isnt arma 3 or squad if thats what you want than your in the wrong place. Wildlands is another open world shooter game kind of like the farcry series giving you different ways to complete missions and be able to play with friends in co op which is me is def important. Ofc there is going to be side quests and collectiables just like every other open world game.

Face it most gamers want a game they can pick up and play and enjoy and not have to think that much. I myself like more tactical games like arma 3 but I do enjoy a game I can just pick up and play for alil bit without much effort to just enjoy and do stuff and hell most of these games I dont even tend to finish but I still get decent hours of playtime out of them because I enjoy roaming around finding hidden things and not just going from mission to mission and rush through ♥♥♥♥ but thats me.

If this game is not for you than so be it but theres no reason to bash it just because its not a game you yourself would like. Hell the game isnt even out yet and your ♥♥♥♥♥ about graphics like come on dude all you did was rant about crap.

[Rhaegal]

Цитата допису mpearsonm90:

I really dont see how you think this game is suppose to be in anyway a tactical shooter. This isnt arma 3 or squad if thats what you want than your in the wrong place. Wildlands is another open world shooter game kind of like the farcry series giving you different ways to complete missions and be able to play with friends in co op which is me is def important. Ofc there is going to be side quests and collectiables just like every other open world game.

Face it most gamers want a game they can pick up and play and enjoy and not have to think that much. I myself like more tactical games like arma 3 but I do enjoy a game I can just pick up and play for alil bit without much effort to just enjoy and do stuff and hell most of these games I dont even tend to finish but I still get decent hours of playtime out of them because I enjoy roaming around finding hidden things and not just going from mission to mission and rush through ♥♥♥♥ but thats me.

If this game is not for you than so be it but theres no reason to bash it just because its not a game you yourself would like. Hell the game isnt even out yet and your ♥♥♥♥♥ about graphics like come on dude all you did was rant about crap.

Probably the most legit comment on this thread lol, its basically what i said, this dude is butthurt that Wildlands changed how it was from the old series and went with open world exploration and more RPG elements (i don't see where this moron sees fantasy in all this because i sure as hell am not seeing metal gear solid effects nor flying ponies in the game with magical rainbows) instead of the classic TRG elements they used in previous titles

[Hoak]

Sykes, English either has to be your second language, or you're very young (and should be in school), or you have some manner of 'special needs' issues, or the other possibility is too shameful and embarrassing to mention as it's clear you're functionally illiterate in English, and have egregious issues with honesty and basic reasoning.

If you were sincere, and it's patently obvious you are not, with your troll remarks, tantrums, histrionics, ad hominem attacks, swearing, insults, and sophomoric arguments loaded with logical fallacies -- you'd at least make a child's effort to read what you imagine you're responding to and you haven't even done that...

But thanks for all the troll bumps, many tactical realism fans of the original Ghost Recon and other TRGs mentioned that happen here will thank you for that! All things considered this being the simplistic game it is; you're probably representative of the kind of audience Wildlands is going to attract, which will serve as fair warning as well.

[Dalton]

Цитата допису Hoak:

Sykes, English either has to be your second language, or you're very young (and should be in school), or you have some manner of 'special needs' issues, or the other possibility is too shameful and embarrassing to mention as it's clear you functionally illiterate in English, and have egregious issues with honesty and basic reasoning.

If you were sincere, and it's patently obvious you are not, with your troll remarks, tantrums, histrionics, ad hominem attacks, swearing, insults, and sophomoric arguments loaded with logical fallacies -- you'd at least make a child's effort to read what you imagine you're responding to and you haven't even done that...

But thanks for all the troll bumps, many tactical realism fans of the original Ghost Recon and other TRGs mentioned that happen here will thank you for that! All things considered this being the simplistic game it is you're probably representative of the kind of audience Wildlands is going to attract, wich will serve as fair warning as well.

You just a meanieface!

[Hoak]

Цитата допису Dalton:

You just a meanieface!

You're right, I feel bad now, poor Sykes is like Hellen Keller without a brain, this game is probably going to be something approaching a life achivement for him. I guess we should all congratulate him that he even figured out how to post to a forum.

[Rhaegal]

Цитата допису Hoak:

Sykes, English either has to be your second language, or you're very young (and should be in school), or you have some manner of 'special needs' issues, or the other possibility is too shameful and embarrassing to mention as it's clear you're functionally illiterate in English, and have egregious issues with honesty and basic reasoning.

If you were sincere, and it's patently obvious you are not, with your troll remarks, tantrums, histrionics, ad hominem attacks, swearing, insults, and sophomoric arguments loaded with logical fallacies -- you'd at least make a child's effort to read what you imagine you're responding to and you haven't even done that...

But thanks for all the troll bumps, many tactical realism fans of the original Ghost Recon and other TRGs mentioned that happen here will thank you for that! All things considered this being the simplistic game it is; you're probably representative of the kind of audience Wildlands is going to attract, which will serve as fair warning as well.

Bet you're trying to get me figured, and yeah, English is my second language, oddly enough i know it better then my native language but thats only because i hate where i come from and don't really care for my language seeing its slowly dying thanks to russian, and its cute when you say i need to go back to school, when i never finished it because even if you do finish it you need more money (lots more) to study more and get that "dream job" i found that was pointless and i could just take the easiest route ever and make tattoos, 200 euros a week about 600 euros a month is pretty nice, and i don't need to break my back nor my health with the jobs that are for people like me, and you can congratulate your self for finally making a sentance that didn't confuse me, its obviouse you're trying.... But jezz... Like the other guy said, you want TRG go play TRG games and stop being butthurt, seeing you went all out back there i guess you got triggered, i hit a soft spot didn't i? But like i said, if Ubi changed the course to a RPG from a TRG based series thats their thing and nobody (besides runts like you) are hating on it, hell i'm not gonna be surprised if it will be like TD, came out, was nice for the first month, started to die slowly, they began adding more content, fixes, balances (yeah didn't work too well) and now a year in they MIGHT make something of the game, but anyway i'm kinda off topic, oh yeah, i did read your little butthurt post because i wouldn't have brough up GTA with a different paint job a few times in another post, and Barbies shopping spree? Really? Makes me feel like you were such a fan of the series that now when the developers took a different approach to the game by making it RPG got you so triggered you wanted to take any kind of excuse out your ass so that it would make sense, though it didn't, And the repetative part, ♥♥♥♥♥ every game is like that, you play it long enough you'll end up playing the same maps just with different people, and when you say different people do things different and blah blah, sure, they do, gameplay seems different but when you think about it how many times have to done the same game mode, the same map, shoot the same targets? Every single game out there is literally the same repetative thing, unless you can make a game that would randomly generate the maps and enviroments then maybe for the first time you'll get something new and not repetative. And as for the forum posting thing, i stay away from them, just because runts like your self annoy me, mostly because they are butthurt that the game they knew got changed to something thats not like the old game, just proves my point you are butthurt cause instead of TRG its RPG, and far as i know ubi didn't advertise the game as TRG, they did include tactical, but not tactical realism

[Hoak]

Цитата допису Sykes:

Цитата допису Hoak:

Sykes, English either has to be your second language, or you're very young (and should be in school), or you have some manner of 'special needs' issues, or the other possibility is too shameful and embarrassing to mention as it's clear you're functionally illiterate in English, and have egregious issues with honesty and basic reasoning.

If you were sincere, and it's patently obvious you are not, with your troll remarks, tantrums, histrionics, ad hominem attacks, swearing, insults, and sophomoric arguments loaded with logical fallacies -- you'd at least make a child's effort to read what you imagine you're responding to and you haven't even done that...

But thanks for all the troll bumps, many tactical realism fans of the original Ghost Recon and other TRGs mentioned that happen here will thank you for that! All things considered this being the simplistic game it is; you're probably representative of the kind of audience Wildlands is going to attract, which will serve as fair warning as well.

Bet you're trying to get me figured, and yeah, English is my second language, oddly enough i know it better then my native language but thats only because i hate where i come from and don't really care for my language seeing its slowly dying thanks to russian, and its cute when you say i need to go back to school, when i never finished it because even if you do finish it you need more money (lots more) to study more and get that "dream job" i found that was pointless and i could just take the easiest route ever and make tattoos, 200 euros a week about 600 euros a month is pretty nice, and i don't need to break my back nor my health with the jobs that are for people like me, and you can congratulate your self for finally making a sentance that didn't confuse me, its obviouse you're trying.... But jezz... Like the other guy said, you want TRG go play TRG games and stop being butthurt, seeing you went all out back there i guess you got triggered, i hit a soft spot didn't i? But like i said, if Ubi changed the course to a RPG from a TRG based series thats their thing and nobody (besides runts like you) are hating on it, hell i'm not gonna be surprised if it will be like TD, came out, was nice for the first month, started to die slowly, they began adding more content, fixes, balances (yeah didn't work too well) and now a year in they MIGHT make something of the game, but anyway i'm kinda off topic, oh yeah, i did read your little butthurt post because i wouldn't have brough up GTA with a different paint job a few times in another post, and Barbies shopping spree? Really? Makes me feel like you were such a fan of the series that now when the developers took a different approach to the game by making it RPG got you so triggered you wanted to take any kind of excuse out your ass so that it would make sense, though it didn't, And the repetative part, ♥♥♥♥♥ every game is like that, you play it long enough you'll end up playing the same maps just with different people, and when you say different people do things different and blah blah, sure, they do, gameplay seems different but when you think about it how many times have to done the same game mode, the same map, shoot the same targets? Every single game out there is literally the same repetative thing, unless you can make a game that would randomly generate the maps and enviroments then maybe for the first time you'll get something new and not repetative. And as for the forum posting thing, i stay away from them, just because runts like your self annoy me, mostly because they are butthurt that the game they knew got changed to something thats not like the old game, just proves my point you are butthurt cause instead of TRG its RPG, and far as i know ubi didn't advertise the game as TRG, they did include tactical, but not tactical realism

Hey Sykes, interesting post; I think if I met you I'd actually like ya! To be clear, I'm not 'butthurt' about Wildlands being a GTA deravitive RPG, I'm just get too many emails from origianal Ghost Recon fans and guys I played with asking me 'Is this the one?' and by that them mean the spiritual successor to Ghost Recon which was a TRG as you might guess, and a very good one, in fact it had AI that makes what's in Wildlands look like sh*t by comparison.

Anyhow, I bare you no ill will, no hard feelings, maybe even see ya online and play Wildlands COOP with ya some time! I would really like to encourage you to try Ghost Recon (the original some time), it has COOP too, and even COOP where each player has an entire squad of AI backup as a team he controls -- it's a VERY cool game, and on so many levels this newer game doesn't even begin to approach, though obviously being nearly twenty years old Ghost Recon doesn't look as impressive as Wildlands...

[Warlord]

Clancy games have been casual console games for well over a decade now. Time to acknowledge reality and stop the nostalgia.

[Hoak]

Цитата допису Warlord:

Clancy games have been casual console games for well over a decade now.

You are correct...

Цитата допису Warlord:

Time to acknowledge reality and stop the nostalgia.

This is a non sequitur on all counts; reality has been acknowledged, acknowledgment of reality doesn't require nostalgia or stopping it. This has no bearing on any argument made here by anyone.

Ubisoft has lost and alienated an enormous fan base to what was a very original, unique and definitive game in Ghost Recon. The slow burn sales statistics for this game were staggering, as were the number of community game, mod and competitive websites that approached what existed for Counter-Strike at the time. Play share in number of players online at any given time was similarly very impressive even by CoD standards

Had Ubisoft done what the Developers and Publishes of CoD, CS, and Battlefield et al had done and just refined, polished and improved what they had through iteration; they'd much more likely have a more successful series of games that could accurately be called a 'franchise'...

As things are, do you seriously imagine what is in essence an RPG zombie shooter in baby's first paint ball vs drug thug drag will achieve anything resembling the success these other game franchises that are actually franchises?

[Rhaegal]

Цитата допису Hoak:

Цитата допису Sykes:

Bet you're trying to get me figured, and yeah, English is my second language, oddly enough i know it better then my native language but thats only because i hate where i come from and don't really care for my language seeing its slowly dying thanks to russian, and its cute when you say i need to go back to school, when i never finished it because even if you do finish it you need more money (lots more) to study more and get that "dream job" i found that was pointless and i could just take the easiest route ever and make tattoos, 200 euros a week about 600 euros a month is pretty nice, and i don't need to break my back nor my health with the jobs that are for people like me, and you can congratulate your self for finally making a sentance that didn't confuse me, its obviouse you're trying.... But jezz... Like the other guy said, you want TRG go play TRG games and stop being butthurt, seeing you went all out back there i guess you got triggered, i hit a soft spot didn't i? But like i said, if Ubi changed the course to a RPG from a TRG based series thats their thing and nobody (besides runts like you) are hating on it, hell i'm not gonna be surprised if it will be like TD, came out, was nice for the first month, started to die slowly, they began adding more content, fixes, balances (yeah didn't work too well) and now a year in they MIGHT make something of the game, but anyway i'm kinda off topic, oh yeah, i did read your little butthurt post because i wouldn't have brough up GTA with a different paint job a few times in another post, and Barbies shopping spree? Really? Makes me feel like you were such a fan of the series that now when the developers took a different approach to the game by making it RPG got you so triggered you wanted to take any kind of excuse out your ass so that it would make sense, though it didn't, And the repetative part, ♥♥♥♥♥ every game is like that, you play it long enough you'll end up playing the same maps just with different people, and when you say different people do things different and blah blah, sure, they do, gameplay seems different but when you think about it how many times have to done the same game mode, the same map, shoot the same targets? Every single game out there is literally the same repetative thing, unless you can make a game that would randomly generate the maps and enviroments then maybe for the first time you'll get something new and not repetative. And as for the forum posting thing, i stay away from them, just because runts like your self annoy me, mostly because they are butthurt that the game they knew got changed to something thats not like the old game, just proves my point you are butthurt cause instead of TRG its RPG, and far as i know ubi didn't advertise the game as TRG, they did include tactical, but not tactical realism

Hey Sykes, interesting post; I think if I met you I'd actually like ya! To be clear, I'm not 'butthurt' about Wildlands being a GTA deravitive RPG, I'm just get too many emails from origianal Ghost Recon fans and guys I played with asking me 'Is this the one?' and by that them mean the spiritual successor to Ghost Recon which was a TRG as you might guess, and a very good one, in fact it had AI that makes what's in Wildlands look like sh*t by comparison.

Anyhow, I bare you no ill will, no hard feelings, maybe even see ya online and play Wildlands COOP with ya some time! I would really like to encourage you to try Ghost Recon (the original some time), it has COOP too, and even COOP where each player has an entire squad of AI backup as a team he controls -- it's a VERY cool game, and on so many levels this newer game doesn't even begin to approach, though obviously being nearly twenty years old Ghost Recon doesn't look as impressive as Wildlands...

The AI in Wildlands i can agree with, they are retarded as ♥♥♥♥, the only way they actually are useful is when you get downed, they kill all the enemies first before picking you up, and sure, maybe i'll see you there, heck i wouldn't mind, i'm just saying here that you're crying why they went from TRG to RPG, if anyone (besides the devs) had the power to change it believe me they would, but if it turns out like division (which i hope it wont) then the game will die, fact is since they didn't go with the grind part (no gear, no guns, only exp) like division did, the game will be much more enjoyable just cause it doesn't take half a 60 round to the head to kill a simple rifleman and PvP which is confirmed for somewhere after release, which I HOPE will be balanced unlike divisions PvP was and pretty much still is the same, where anyone can get a broken build/gun/meta to dominate over everyone

[Hoak]

It's the emey bots that are the worst, their just zerging charging zombies, they have no tactics, only randomly use cover, don't flank, don't bound, don't prone, and are effortless to kill. Try Ghost Recon, a game nearly twenty years old and the enemy AI actually did all this and more...

[mpearsonm90]

Цитата допису Hoak:

It's the emey bots that are the worst, their just zerging charging zombies, they have no tactics, only randomly use cover, don't flank, don't bound, don't prone, and are effortless to kill. Try Ghost Recon, a game nearly twenty years old and the enemy AI actually did all this and more...

Seriously I dont get why you care if you dont like the game no one is forcing you to buy it for god sakes. Also you do know that Ubisoft is a business right? They make games to make money believe it or not. Look at arma 3 it is one of the best tactical shooters out but look at the amount of people that play it. It doesnt come close to games like COD or what I like to call it crap of duty and there is a reason for that and its very simple.

Games like COD sell more simply because it caters mostly to the young crowd and younger players will spend more money and spend more time on these types of games because they don't care about using mom and dads credit card and they just have more free time. So ofc gaming companies are going to cater more to the people who spend more money remember these people run a business not a charity. They are in it to make sales and bring in more money its really that simple.

The younger players will spend money on stupid crap like weapon skins and crates simply because they dont know any better because that is what they grew up on but older players didnt grow up with this crap in the game industry now but the younger players did and they think all these season passes and collector editions and micro transactions are normal.

Again Ubisoft is a company that has to make money and show good quarterly reports to the investors is called business. You wouldnt make a business selling beach equipment in the middle of the desert now would you? Ofc you wouldnt like I said its simple game companies are targeting the younger player base because they are the ones who spend more money on stupid crap after already paying 60$ for the game itself. Really it comes down to money plain and simple.

But anyway if you don't like the game than don't buy it. If you havent noticed big AAA companies are targeting younger players again the players that will spend more money because in the end there in it to make money if you do not understand that than you my friend must be special.